<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">This is helpful, thanks Ricardo! Love the analogy of 'playing catch' and the insights about what's tough from a design perspective. Flexibility / side-by-side collaboration / mutual learning and mentoring seem like themes.<br><div>
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<br><div><div>On 2014-10-02, at 9:51 PM, Ricardo Vazquez <<a href="mailto:ricardo@mozillafoundation.org">ricardo@mozillafoundation.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Here are my thoughts:<br>
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<i>What do you think is the key to good designer / developer
relationships? </i><i><br>
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I think the thing of most importance in a designer/developer combo
is to constantly build on the patience and knowledge-sharing
aspects of the relationship. As a designer, there are technical
things that I will be too uncomfortable or simply won't have
enough knowledge on during a project. If I am able to take my
questions to the developer I'm working with, I will have learned
from the best <i>and </i>I will have learned how to achieve
something technically that was previously foreign and intimidating
to me. This of course applies vice versa. Our relationship
exponentially grows.<br>
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Where do you think your discipline is most misunderstood?</i><i><br>
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I think it's sometimes hard to convey that little things do really
matter in design. Microinteractions are imperative in both UI and
UX design. <br>
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<i>What can designers do to make devs' lives better / easier? What
can devs do to make designers' lives better / easier?</i><br>
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As a designer, I have found that really trying to understand a
technical challenge makes a developer's life better. I myself ask
a lot of questions. I draw diagrams that help me understand from a
high-level perspective, I sketch alongside the developer, anything
that helps me understand where I can help from a design/front-end
design standpoint. Another thing is having the flexibility to
acknowledge that some design ideas might not be technically
feasible. This is where the developer/designer relationship can
become a stronghold, as we can pair up each of our domain
expertise to offer a novel alternative solution.<br>
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<i>What workflows do you think work best for interdisciplinary
collaboration?</i><br>
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The way I like working is like a game of catch. Each of us work
synchronously to achieve better and faster results. I will sketch
up the UI while the developer readies the back-end server
architecture. I will work on HTML and CSS while the developer
creates Angular views and state management changes. And so it
goes, a fluid back and forth. If someone misses a throw that's no
problem; there's trust in our game of catch. We're both committed
to having fun, improving each other's game, and coming out with an
awesome feature at the end.<br>
<br>
Ricardo<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Ricardo Vazquez
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Mozilla Foundation
IRC: ricardo</pre>
On 2014-10-01 11:42 AM, Cassie McDaniel wrote:<br>
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Hi Designers & Devs,<br>
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in a few short weeks in Chicago about effective
designer-developer collaboration. I know many of you
consider yourself both designer and developer, and I
appreciate that valuable perspective, as well as the
I-shaped people among us. What I'm really interested in
identifying are the areas of overlap – positive, negative,
neutral – whatever insights you care to share.</div>
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<li><span style="line-height: 1.15; ">What do you think
is the key to good designer / developer
relationships? What ticks you off about working with
other disciplines? Where do you think your
discipline is most misunderstood?</span></li>
<li><span style="line-height: 1.15; ">What can designers
do to make devs' lives better / easier? </span><span style="line-height: 1.15; ">What can devs do to make
designers' lives better / easier?</span></li>
<li><span style="line-height: 1.15; ">What workflows do
you think work best for interdisciplinary
collaboration?</span></li>
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