<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">I personally feel that we should stick to our guns with Persona for a number of reasons.<div><br></div><div><ol class="MailOutline"><li>Its still getting security updates and major bug fixes</li><li>Thunderbird has had more bug fixes, and at a better rate, since it was handed to the community</li><li>The way Persona operates isn’t about to change any time soon</li></ol><div><br></div><div>For us I see no real reason to switch out. No benefits, just drawbacks to switching. Such as having to change our login system, request more information from ALL our users, etc…</div><div><br></div><div>Persona isn’t actually going anywhere (in terms of disappearing) anytime soon, and its built on an open protocol that many are hoping/working on Firefox Accounts utilising.</div><div><br></div><div>My $0.02 is that Persona is still the way to go.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 10 Mar 2014, at 07:11, Laura Hilliger <<a href="mailto:laura@mozillafoundation.org">laura@mozillafoundation.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">+Webmaker Product as I'm sure some of the dev folks had initial reactions, and maybe Brett knew this was coming?</p><p dir="ltr">I'm remembering the Mitchell Q&A at the Brussels Summit where there a was a Mozillians version of a riot - polite and well articulated, yet persistent arguments - to put some paid staff back on Thunderbird. One of the arguments was basically "If Mozilla doesn't think it's worth it to shepherd a project, why should the community continue to care?"</p><p dir="ltr">Laura Hilliger coming to you live from a mobile device<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 8, 2014 2:52 PM, "Jessica Klein" <<a href="mailto:jess@mozillafoundation.org">jess@mozillafoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">What are peoples thoughts around using Persona in our products? Would love to start collecting our thought on this. It feels unsettling to have a major touchpoint in our product be "community supported." <div>
<br></div><div>Jess<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Mar 7, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Dan Callahan <<a href="mailto:dcallahan@mozilla.com" target="_blank">dcallahan@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">Hi
all,<br>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Later
today, we’ll be pushing a blog post live on the future of
Persona. This is the culmination of many discussions on our
mailing list, GitHub, Town Halls, Yammer and more - but wanted
to flag to ensure everyone was aware. We’re entrusting
Persona's ongoing development to its community and its full-time
developers have been moved to other projects.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">To
be clear, we’re not decommissioning Persona. It still continues
to be proof that federated authentication on the Web can work
well. It can be more safe, usable and private for Web users
everywhere. This is due to the hard work and support from staff
and contributors over the years - thank you all!</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Staff
will continue to resolve critical bugs, service disruptions, and
security issues and our new network operations center will
handle tier 1 incident response for Persona. This is an
improvement - the center’s monitoring will further increase
Persona’s reliability and improve incident response times.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">You
can find out more on the Identity Blog [</span><a href="http://identity.mozilla.com/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">http://identity.mozilla.com/</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">]
later today, but in the meantime there is a FAQ below.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">If
you have any questions please reach out to me </span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">personally
or join #identity on <a href="http://irc.mozilla.org/" target="_blank">irc.mozilla.org</a>. We’ll also discuss more at
the Monday project meeting.<br>
</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Regards,</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Dan
Callahan</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/callahad/" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/callahad/</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span></div>
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(PS: Please forgive the HTML email! I promise I won't do it again!)<br>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">FAQ:</span></div>
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<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span>
<h2 dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:18pt;margin-bottom:4pt"><span style="font-size:23px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Frequently
Asked Questions</span></h2><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">What’s
happening to the Persona team?</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">The
Mozilla staff from the Identity team are already working on
Cloud Services projects including Firefox accounts, and Sync.
Persona's community has stepped up to lead Persona's
development. This includes both long-term volunteers and former
paid contributors, all of whom deeply believe in Persona's
unique vision for decentralized authentication. </span></div>
<br>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Why
has Mozilla stopped funding new feature development on Persona?</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Persona_AAR" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">For a variety
of reasons</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">,
Persona has received less adoption than we were hoping for by
this point. However, we do still believe that Persona offers a
unique and useful alternative to passwords, and we intend to
support it as such. Reducing Persona's scope and stabilizing its
core APIs over the last quarter has shown us that adding more
features was not the way forward.</span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:rgb(255,255,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
</span></div>
<br>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Meanwhile,
Firefox and Firefox OS need a suite of integrated services
(Sync, Marketplace, Find My Device) backed by a common account
system (a "Firefox Account"). We believe that these needs are
more time sensitive, and thus higher priority, than Persona.</span></div>
<br>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Why
don't Firefox Accounts use Persona?</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Each
project addresses very different needs. Persona is designed to
be a dead simple email verification tool, while Firefox Accounts
is</span><a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Identity/Firefox_Accounts" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
</span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">a full-fledged, persistent account
system</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">.
By developing them separately, we're able to keep each project
lean and focused on its own use cases.</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">For
instance, it's possible that Firefox Accounts will use Persona
for email verification in the future. Where possible, Firefox
Accounts and Persona share infrastructure, protocols, data
formats, and both server-side and client-side JavaScript
libraries. Work on this common foundation benefits both
projects.</span></div>
<br>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Will
Mozilla continue to host Persona?</span></div><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Absolutely.
Persona is a critical part of Mozilla’s own infrastructure, and
we have no plans to decommission it. Even in maintenance mode,
we understand the importance of authentication and are committed
to responsible stewardship of Persona. Should we ever consider
decommissioning it, we will provide</span><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/persona-notices" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
</span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">ample notice</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
and a long deprecation window. This will absolutely not happen
in 2014.</span></div>
<br>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><div style="line-height:1.15;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt">
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">How
can I help?</span></div>
<span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Persona
is open source! We're currently working on putting together
documentation for new contributors -- look for another post here
in a week or two -- but until then, we’d love to see you</span><a href="https://github.com/mozilla/persona" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
</span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">on GitHub</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">,
our IRC channel, or</span><a href="https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-identity" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">
</span><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204);background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;vertical-align:baseline">our mailing list</span></a><span style="font-size:15px;font-family:Arial;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">.</span>
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