<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><blockquote type="cite">However, I don't personally think that making our current tools offline friendly should be in our roadmap. Instead, I think we should build curriculum that teaches HTML etc up until the point of publishing, and do it with freely available tools.</blockquote><div><br></div>+1. </div><div><br></div><div>Worth mentioning that I ran a Maker Party off a 4G hotspot last year when the Centre for Life's wifi proved too flaky. :-)<br><br>-----<div>Doug Belshaw</div><div>Web Literacy Lead</div><div>Mozilla Foundation</div><div><br></div><div>Current timezone: GMT (UTC)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://webmaker.org">http://webmaker.org</a></div><div><a href="http://openbadges.org">http://openbadges.org</a></div><div><a href="http://dougbelshaw.com">http://dougbelshaw.com</a></div></div><div><br>On 7 Mar 2014, at 06:28, Brett Gaylor <<a href="mailto:brett@mozillafoundation.org">brett@mozillafoundation.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div>To address John's original question: are there any tech partners who might be able to help the schools? Setting up a router? A reliable hotspot? How many of the 27 schools DO have decent connections? I'm sympathetic, Victoria's school board has an ongoing debate about supporting wifi in schools, and as a result, many schools are internet-free.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I don't personally think that making our current tools offline friendly should be in our roadmap. Instead, I think we should build curriculum that teaches HTML etc up until the point of publishing, and do it with freely available tools. We should be evaluating this need and what would satisfy it. I don't believe the solution lies in requiring a mentor to set up a local development environment on a computer the learner would use.</div><div><br></div><div>So - what do mentors that teach offline webmaking want? Are there current tools that smart curriculum could help mentors adopt? If the answer is "no", then we could consider building an intervention in this space - but we really ought to be asking if there is a solution not invented here.</div><div><br></div><div>John - can we help this partner find the right tech support? They may need an IT partner. What about friendly Mozillians? Where are these schools?</div><div><br></div><div>Or perhaps Pomax, Atul or others on this list have an elegant solution in their back-pocket. </div><div><br></div><div>Brett</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 2014-03-05, at 8:53 PM, David Ascher <<a href="mailto:da@mozillafoundation.org">da@mozillafoundation.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">+1</p><p dir="ltr">A related question is whether the demand is for occasionally connected devices like phones or segregated networks like some schools. For the latter something like webmaker tools on a raspberry pi might be an option. It's also hard but differently hard.</p>
<div class="quote">On Mar 5, 2014 11:40 AM, David Humphrey <<a href="mailto:david.humphrey@senecacollege.ca">david.humphrey@senecacollege.ca</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div><br><div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think we have to make a call about
whether offline versions of our stuff is in the roadmap, and when
we should prioritize it. It's not impossible to solve this, but
it's not simple either.<br>
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The right time to do it might be when we move to support
tablet/mobile and do a Webmaker app.<br>
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Brett/Chris, it would be good to hear from you about timing and
prioritization for this kind of thing, since it would need
resourcing.<br>
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Dave<br>
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Yeah this is a reoccurring problem without much of a solution <br>
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John feel free to ping moz <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:teach@mozillafoundation.org">teach@mozillafoundation.org</a> in the
future to get all the team quickly? <br>
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On 5 Mar 2014, at 13:39, Laura Hilliger <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:laura@mozillafoundation.org">laura@mozillafoundation.org</a>>
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<div>AFAIK our tools need network connectivity. My
suggestion would be to use the tools where
connectivity isn’t an issue, and teach web lit
competencies & skills using offline activities and
conceptual exploration when there’s no network /
hardware.<br>
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activities: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://webmaker.org/en-US/search/?type=all&q=offline">https://webmaker.org/en-US/search/?type=all&q=offline</a></div>
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<div>Perhaps there’s a way to set up a local server,
but I’m guessing it’s not the type of solution that
is easy for non-devs to implement. But maybe someone
on dev has an easy solution that I just don’t know
about?</div>
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<div>On Mar 5, 2014, at 2:09 PM, John Bevan <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john@mozillafoundation.org">john@mozillafoundation.org</a>>
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Of Office alerts me to the fact that she's on
PTO until the 10th.<br>
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Is there a particular person I on the Teach
team who fields stuff like this or best to
send to the alias?<br>
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<b>To: </b>"TeachTheWeb" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:teachtheweb@mozillafoundation.org">teachtheweb@mozillafoundation.org</a>>,
"Amira Dhalla" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:amira@mozillafoundation.org">amira@mozillafoundation.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 5 March, 2014
1:06:44 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Fwd: X-ray Goggles<br>
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<div>Can someone take a look at below,
please? Do we have a solve?<br>
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<div>Sent to Teach and Amira as this
probably sits in smack bang in the
middle of that Venn diagram. Happy to
intro once we know which side this
falls.<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
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Weber-Brown" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:maud@homeroom.org.uk">maud@homeroom.org.uk</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"John Bevan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:john@mozillafoundation.org">john@mozillafoundation.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 5 March, 2014
9:30:13 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>X-ray Goggles<br>
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<div>Hello John,</div>
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<div>Hope all well. I have a fairly
urgent query - realise you’re unlikely
to be the right person to ask but
would be very grateful if you could
forward to someone who could? </div>
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<div>We’re working in various schools
now, and about to sign a deal with ARK
for 27 more, and have major issue in
that the rules for accessing wifi are
different for each school, or they
simply d on’t
have it (ethernet into the office,
that’s it). This is seriously naffing
up our beloved X-ray Goggles sessions.
We’ve tried setting up hotspots, but
it’s really hard when they start to
search for images. Has anyone else
worked through this problem? Is there
a way we can use it offline - say if
we created our own library of images
that sit on individual laptops and
then have a cached version of the
website with the Goggles pre-loaded… </div>
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<div>We are supposed to be running the
session next week, twice. So any
thoughts this week would be really
appreciated. </div>
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<div>M </div>
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<div>Maud Weber-Brown<br>
Founder | <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://homeroom.org.uk/" target="_blank">homeroom.org.uk</a><br>
Fearless Digital Exploration<br>
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