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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">My previous post to the plan Magnus
proposed was incomplete. The following completes my
recommendations...</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/21 4:23 PM, Magnus Melin wrote:<br>
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<p>The other, remaining mozilla.org mailing lists are being
converted over this weekend, after which mailman will be
decommissioned. <br>
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<p>Tentative plan:<br>
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Public facing lists; move to topicbox to go together with our
other lists:
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<li>tb-planning</li>
<li>tb-enterprise</li>
<li>tb-support-crew</li>
<li>thunderbird-testers</li>
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<p>I recommend eliminating thunderbird-testers. As the founder,
administrator, and primary user of this group, I'm pretty sure at
least half of the 570 subscriptions are spammers. Instead I
recommend put up new groups for beta and daily channel users (who
are themselves testers). And also create an Announcements topic.
The combination of these three new groups can, to some degree,
serve as replacement for -testers. <br>
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<li>support-thunderbird</li>
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<p>traffic => SUMO</p>
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<p>Semi-private lists; move to private google groups (since
addresses should kept, and other reasons):<br>
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<li>tb-election</li>
<li>thunderbird-drivers</li>
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<p>Shut down:</p>
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<li>dev-apps-thunderbird<br>
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<li>maildev</li>
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<p>Magnus subsquently posted <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Where to send a question would depend on
what the discussion is about. If there's a targeted mailing
list on our topicbox, post it there. If it's a bug/action item,
send it to bugzilla in an appropriate component - I'd expect
this is the right answer most of the times. tb-planning would be
the catch-all for things that fall between; use an appropriate
subject so uninterested parties can ignore it.
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<p>Yes, there is some truth to Magnus' idea that some of the
postings to dev might be better place in bug reports, etc, but I
disagree with "most times". Also, I've investigated and found
there is a significant <b>lack</b> of overlap in the subscriber
bases of the dev groups and tb-planning - people on dev groups who
are not on tb-planning, and people on planning who are not on
dev. <br>
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<p>So IMO the amount of traffic and make up of the subscriber base
indicates this traffic and subscriber base shouldn't move to
planning, they should stand on their own. Which means creating a
new dev group in topicbox to continue supporting the important
questions and activity of these developers, and save each
respective "group" from the cross chatter.<br>
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<p> -Magnus<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2021-03-23 19:21, Dirk Steinmetz
(rsjtdrjgfuzkfg) wrote:<br>
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Mozilla decided to shut down the Mailman instance most
Thunderbird mailing lists are hosted on by the end of this
month. <br>
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This means that we need to find an alternative *fast*. The
council is currently discussing this, but I wanted to give the
public an option to weigh in. <br>
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Regarding public lists, there are three primary proposals: <br>
1. Move away from Mozilla to Topicbox <br>
2. Join Mozilla in moving to Google Groups <br>
3. Self-host (not sure how feasible in the time frame) <br>
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Currently, there is some fundamental opposition to Google
Groups, as well as some fundamental opposition to self-hosting.
The preferred option thus seems to be Topicbox so far. <br>
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It is not yet clear how the migration will work; if you need to
re-subscribe we will post something before mailman is shut down.
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Kind regards, <br>
Dirk <br>
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href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a>
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