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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">My feedback I think aligns with Magnus'
response. Perhaps the following will help explain, at least from
my perspective</div>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/23/21 1:21 PM, Dirk Steinmetz
(rsjtdrjgfuzkfg) wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:c4547546-d8fa-39bd-21f0-5c3ff2cbbd1e@rsjtdrjgfuzkfg.com">Hi
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Mozilla decided to shut down the Mailman instance most Thunderbird
mailing lists are hosted on by the end of this month.
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This means that we need to find an alternative *fast*. The council
is currently discussing this, but I wanted to give the public an
option to weigh in.
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Regarding public lists, there are three primary proposals:
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1. Move away from Mozilla to Topicbox
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<p>For multiple reasons, IMO this is where our open/public facing
lists should going. Two of those multiple reasons is we should be
working toward streamlining back room operations and moderation,
and standardizing what we offer to users. Going with something
else either says we don't care about those issues, or that we
should be working to kill topicbox. In short, I'm not really sure
why there is even a question. (Sorry if that sounds opinionated.)<br>
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<p>If it is not possible because of time constraints to go directly
to topicbox, then use Google Groups as a temporary bridge - but #3
is an non-starter IMO. </p>
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cite="mid:c4547546-d8fa-39bd-21f0-5c3ff2cbbd1e@rsjtdrjgfuzkfg.com">2.
Join Mozilla in moving to Google Groups
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<p>Not preferred (but should be fine for other lists which are used
for internal / non-public purposes). And fwiw, as far as I know
none of the moderators have suggested this as a preferred choice.<br>
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cite="mid:c4547546-d8fa-39bd-21f0-5c3ff2cbbd1e@rsjtdrjgfuzkfg.com">3.
Self-host (not sure how feasible in the time frame) <br>
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<p>As one of the moderators for most lists, this is a non-starter.
Mailman and things like it are dinosaurs. (Even though I have a
fondness for it, it's dead simple and familiar to me - it has its
problems.)</p>
<p>Discourse has also been mentioned in a follow up post.
Thunderbird does have a presence there primarily as a support
venue, at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://discourse.mozilla.org/c/thunderbird/">https://discourse.mozilla.org/c/thunderbird/</a> etc.
However, in some ways it doesn't measure up to topicbox, and for
us it never gained critical mass in traffic. But more
importantly, wherever possible our user facing properties should
be Thunderbird branded without (or with less) hint of Mozilla.
(Nothing against Mozilla - but we need to distinguish ourselves.)<br>
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<p>Hope that helps.<br>
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