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<p>Hi Matt,</p>
On 13/3/21 4:19 pm, Matt Harris wrote:<br>
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<font face="Calibri">Thunderbird has always imported Outlook
contacts as well as data using the outlook application using
windows DDE/MAPI technologies. A prerequisite is that the user
must have functional copy of outlook installed, even if it is
a trial type version. </font><font face="Calibri"><font
face="Calibri">Today on V78.8.1, I open the import wizard and
select address books, Outlook is offered as an import option
because I have Outlook installed. </font></font></blockquote>
<p><font face="Calibri">Could you import Outlook Contacts? Or was
this to only import Outlook emails?</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">It is understood that Thunderbird only
imports emails from Outlook PST files, not Contacts.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Outlook was broken on Thunderbird and thanks
to the extensive work of IT Support @ Henk Outlook is being
added as address book provider to preferences and UI in
Thunderbird<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697669">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1697669</a></font></p>
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cite="mid:98c157f4-15fd-e969-7194-93340f448f71@gmail.com"><font
face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri">I would assume that as a
Linux user you get no access to outlook import of any sort as
MAPI is a windows technology, unless someone has implemented
some form of open source implementation.<br>
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<p>We have seen Outlook Contacts being imported into an Excel
spreadsheet with VBA which was using MAPI using GNU/Linux
operating systems.</p>
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cite="mid:98c157f4-15fd-e969-7194-93340f448f71@gmail.com"><font
face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri"> <br>
What you are asking for is native file import and that is <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153419">Bug
153419</a> it has been around for 19 years, and in the
interim Microsoft have release documentation of the file
format so it is technically possible to implement it. I do
wonder however in a world of IMAP accounts and online contacts
if effort might be better spent interfacing with the online
presence via other means. PST was always a propriety format
that was not really suitable for archival, but that has not
stopped the misguided using it as such. However I rarely see
outlook contact import questions in support as those that are
transitioning have a good option and those with PST files can
purchase tools on the web to convert their PST files to more
open formats such as CSV and mbox./eml<br>
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Unfortunately, CSV files can not export/import:
<p>* Contact photos</p>
<p>* Notes which have embedded documents</p>
<p>* Notes which have text in Rich Text Format/HTML format</p>
<p>It is understood that mbox/eml are for emails not contacts</p>
<p>Thunderbird has Tags (Categories) for emails and calendar events;
however, this feature is currently missing in the Address Book.
Unfortunately this means that it is not yet implemented in
Thunderbird. Hopefully in the release after Thunderbird 91 ESR
Categories/Tags will be implemented in the Thunderbird Address
Book.<br>
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face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri"> <br>
I would not see this as a vision subject. However the vision
might be well placed to emphasis efforts/ priorities into
things that will benefit the majority of users as opposed to
discussions and efforts on subjects that affect a very small
minority for instance.<br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Outlook 2010 has recently been no longer
supported by Microsoft and it would be a great opportunity for
helping users transition from Outlook to Thunderbird.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Should increasing market share from
currently supported versions of Outlook also be part of the
vision? i.e. helping users with Outlook 2013 and later
transition to Thunderbird?<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">The User Story by Thomas D. on [Bug 75711]
Ability to organize/group/search addresses with custom
Tags/Categories/Keywords (vs. current broken mailing list
design) <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75711">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75711</a> is a
good read. Should the vision include </font><font
face="Calibri">ux-efficiency?</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">We know a lot of people who use email and
address books, but don't use the calendar; however, including
the calendar module in Thunderbird core was a good idea.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">The vision is to make the core address book
a first class module with more than feature parity with other
offering available in the marketplace. The vision is for the
Thunderbird Address Book to be the industry standard. Some
points along the way to the Thunderbird Address Book vision
being:</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">1. Categories/Tags<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">2. Notes field allowing Rich Text / HTML
format</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">3. Unlimited email addresses, phone numbers,
physical addresses, web addresses, etc</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">4. Improving the UX/UI, for example enabling
a "Business Cards" view. </font><font face="Calibri"><font
face="Calibri">"Business Cards" view is also for
non-enterprise users as it makes it easier to see and find
Contacts as it shows their pictures.<br>
</font><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1226155">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1226155</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/-/issues/363">https://gitlab.com/CardBook/CardBook/-/issues/363</a></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Thank you</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Óvári<br>
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face="Calibri"><font face="Calibri"> <br>
Matt<br>
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On 25-Feb-21 8:27 AM, Óvári wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Dirk and *,</p>
<p>Outlook contact import is not an enterprise feature for us.
We and other people who email with us have Outlook 2003,
Outlook 2007, Outlook 2010, etc and all their emails and
contacts are stored in the *.pst file.<br>
</p>
<p>Thunderbird has an Outlook *.pst filetype <u>Email</u>
import feature; but Thunderbird does not have an Outlook *.pst
filetype <u>Contacts (AddressBook)</u> import feature.</p>
<p>We and others do <b>not</b> have Exchange.</p>
<p>The vision would be helping people, non-enterprise users, to
move all their Contacts (aka AddressBooks) from any version of
Microsoft Outlook to Thunderbird.<br>
</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Óvári<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22/2/21 6:30 pm, Dirk Steinmetz
(rsjtdrjgfuzkfg) wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:d75e8eca-615b-f651-ce12-73128af098df@rsjtdrjgfuzkfg.com">Hi
Óvári, <br>
<br>
> Any reason why you didn't state the specific Linux
distribution? <br>
Any reason you ask me directly and not publicly on the list? <br>
<br>
I did not include the distribution's name, as this was a
confidential request for cooperation. I do not know which
parts of the request are public or which ones are private, so
I erred on the side of not violating the trust of the party
suggesting the cooperation. <br>
<br>
If it is important to you, you could ask on the public mailing
list and hope that somebody who knows which parts are
confidential gives you a better reply. <br>
<br>
> Can you please help ship Thunderbird deb files <br>
I'm not Thunderbird's release engineer, and have no idea if
and how Debian packages are supported by Thunderbird's build
infrastructure. I do know, however, that you can use the
official tarballs under Debian-based operating systems. <br>
<br>
So you can just download the official build for Linux
(.tar.bz2) and use that instead of a Debian package, or ask in
public to get a reply from somebody more qualified than me ;)
<br>
<br>
Regarding your second mail: the vision is not about any
features, but about what direction we want to go in (so
effectively, what guidelines we evaluate feature proposals
against). That being said, most people involved in any part of
the address book agree that it is bad and needs a rewrite no
matter what happens, so this will likely remain on the roadmap
no matter the result of the vision discussion. <br>
<br>
What could be part of a vision, though, is the split between
enterprise and private users. I read your mail as a vote for
more enterprise; if you feel strongly about that I suggest
publicly posting a vision snippet regarding
'enterprise-focused', 'drop-in replacement of proprietary
tools' or something else in that direction (whatever matches
*your* vision). If something like that ends up in the vision,
features like import from Exchange would likely gain
relevance. <br>
<br>
Kind regards, <br>
Dirk / rsjtdrjgfuzkfg <br>
<br>
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Am 22.02.21 um 07:57 schrieb Óvári: <br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi Dirk, <br>
<br>
Any reason why you didn't state the specific Linux
distribution? <br>
<br>
Can you please help ship Thunderbird deb files that can be
incorporated into the default Linux Mint distribution so
that users will not be stuck on Thunderbird 68.10.0 until
the next Ubuntu LTS version is released in late 2022? <br>
<br>
Thank you <br>
<br>
Óvári <br>
<br>
P.S. Please feel free to pass this message to anyone. <br>
<br>
On 22/2/21 11:05 am, Dirk Steinmetz (rsjtdrjgfuzkfg) wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">- There are discussions regarding a
potential cooperation regarding an issue that is specific
to a particular Linux distribution. </blockquote>
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