<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">How many users view the source to find this info hidden in the invisible header?</div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Why is that header info incompatible with the detection logic of the default email-app of iOS?</div><div><br></div><div>Why does the web page of the mailing list contain a section about subscribing, but not a section about unsubscribing?</div><div><br></div><div>Why is unsubscribing hidden in a section which demands the password of the list admin?</div><div><br></div><div>Why do I need to enter my email address, when I just got there by clicking on a link in an email?</div><div><br></div><div>The UI designers of an email software should really be able to deliver a more intuitive, or at least a less confusing and less frustrating UI for a mailing list. Especially after these issues have been discussed over and over again through the course of many years.</div><div><div><br><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">-- </span><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Message sent from a mobile device, please excuse brevity and typos</span></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 8. Mar 2021, at 07:49, Matt Harris <unicorn.consulting@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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It might not be a button, but it is fairly obvious to me how it
works. It appears with every single email from the list I read.
Unfortunately most mail users don't have the first clue about the
tool they are using. <br>
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<div class="moz-signature">“Against stupidity the gods themselves
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<i>― Friedrich von Schiller, Die Jungfrau von Orleans </i></div>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Mar-21 4:05 PM, Klaus Hartnegg
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">On 27. Feb 2021, at 20:05, The Wanderer <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wanderer@fastmail.fm"><wanderer@fastmail.fm></a> wrote:
My first guess at the cause of this would be that people signed up to
either Mozilla mailing lists or other Mozilla notifications (the
bugtracker?), either didn't realize it or got tired of receiving the
mails, and rather than go through the unsubscribe procedure they just
reported the mails as spam.
I have seen such "mark as spam instead of unsubscribing" behavior
reported with regard to mailing lists in the past; I don't recall
whether it was specifically Mozilla mailing lists, but it wouldn't at
all surprise me if it were happening here.
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The Wanderer
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Try to find the unsubscribe button here, then you will understand why so many people do it.
The mailing list for Firefox ESR ('enterprise') was over several years full of unsubscribe requests, because there was no unsubscribe link. Not just no link in the emails, also none on the webpage of the mailinglist. Plus everybody who wanted just use the ESR version was pushed to subscribe to that mailinglist. So there were many people who did not want these emails.
Most mailing lists have unsubscribe info in the header, such that many email apps can add an unsubscribe button.
Most others have an unsubscribe link at the end of each email.
The emails from Mozilla mailing lists have neither. This was endlessly discussed in the ESR list, and it took years go get a halfbaked workaround implemented.
Klaus
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