<html><head></head><body>Hello Ovari and others,<br><br>I completely understand your objection. In fact, I said precisely the same when I was par of the the TB council and we did our council meetings via Zoom. I thought: 'We have WebRTC built right into the browser! It's part of the Mozilla project! Why don't we eat our own dogfood? It's very easy to join, with only Firefox. What's the problem?'<br><br>Then, I tried to conduct a video conference with many participants. Zoom is nice in many little details which become important when you conduct a large meeting. I've used it extensively in the last year. While I dislike the proprietary software, Zoom has its advantages. I have not tried Jitsi recently for a large meeting, maybe it's become just a good.<br><br>Tip for those concerned about proprietary software: Install the Zoom app on Android. Android is full of proprietary software anyway. If you don't have Google Play Store, Zoom even offers the Android APK directly: <a href="https://zoom.us/client/latest/zoom.apk">https://zoom.us/client/latest/zoom.apk</a><br><br>(Tip for the TB council: Try Jitsi. They got much much better recently. Not the same as a few years ago.<br>meet.jit.si is free without registration. Even the professional offer "Jaas Dev" is free for up to 25 users. It's worth another try.)<br><br>Ben<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 24. Februar 2021 12:35:46 MEZ schrieb Magnus Melin <mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Basically using Zoom is a pragmatic decision: it's what Mozilla has <br>chosen to use after evaluating the options, so there's a company license <br>to use it. We know it works, and it's substantial work to ensure <br>competing solutions work (free-as-in-beer solutions rarely work at <br>scale, and if non-free-as-in-beer: contract hazzle).<br><br>By "work" I don't mean that it kind of works for a group of three. Do <br>competitors work reliably with larger crowds (30-40 ppl, maybe more)? Do <br>you have the ability to join by smartphone app? Can you call in? I don't <br>now, but I do know it require legwork for many people to find out.<br><br> -Magnus<br><br>On 2021-02-18 23:09, Óvári wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"> We are disappointed too.<br><br> We also wrote "Can you please use Jitsi Meet or another open-source <br> solution." However our message didn't get posted.<br><br> On 18/2/21 8:39 am, Neal H. Walfield wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br><br> I'm a bit disappointed to see that TB, a free software project, is<br> using Zoom. Were free software alternatives like Big Blue Button <br></blockquote></blockquote>or<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #ad7fa8; padding-left: 1ex;"> Jitsi considered? If so, what is the appeal of zoom?<br><br> Thanks,<br><br> Neal<br><br> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:00:17 +0100,<br> Ryan Sipes wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #8ae234; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hello TB-Planning,<br><br> We are going to do a Thunderbird Town Hall via Zoom on March 4th at <br> 18:00 UTC! You can go to the Thunderbird Events Google Calendar to <br> see the info in your local<br> timezone.<br><br> We are going to try to do these quarterly and invite members of the <br> community to join and ask questions. Project leadership will also <br> share updates, ideas, goals, and<br> answer questions. We will schedule a couple each quarter at <br> different times in order to make it so that those who find one time <br> inconvenient can attend another.<br><br> You can add the Thunderbird Events calendar via this link.<br><br> Otherwise here are the details:<br><br> Thunderbird Town Hall<br><br> Time: 18:00 UTC<br> Location: <a href="https://mozilla.zoom.us/j/549511776">https://mozilla.zoom.us/j/549511776</a><hr> Feel free to ask any questions you have here or directly to me.<br><br> Ryan Sipes<br> Community Manager<br> Thunderbird<br></blockquote><hr>tb-planning mailing list<br>tb-planning@mozilla.org<br><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a><br></blockquote><hr>tb-planning mailing list<br>tb-planning@mozilla.org<br><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a><br></blockquote><hr>tb-planning mailing list<br>tb-planning@mozilla.org<br><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my cell phone. Please excuse the brevity.</body></html>