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<p>Hi *,</p>
<p>In the event that the email below didn't get through to the
tb-planning list, here is a response from 8x8 Inc. the company
that powers Jitsi.</p>
<p>The plans shown in the link below are at:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://app.8x8.vc/payments/?preselectPlan=true&isVpaaS=true&_ga=2.41790816.376256379.1614204566-1869826280.1610678075">https://app.8x8.vc/payments/?preselectPlan=true&isVpaaS=true&_ga=2.41790816.376256379.1614204566-1869826280.1610678075</a></p>
<p>Cheers<br>
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<div class="moz-forward-container">Óvári<br>
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<td>Re: First Thunderbird Town Hall</td>
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<td>Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:31:59 +1100</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">From: </th>
<td>Leon Avery <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leon.avery@8x8.com"><leon.avery@8x8.com></a></td>
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<td>Magnus Melin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi"><mkmelin+mozilla@iki.fi></a></td>
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<td>Erin Brown <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:erin.brown@8x8.com"><erin.brown@8x8.com></a>, Thunderbird
planning (moderated) <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tb-planning@mozilla.org"><tb-planning@mozilla.org></a>,
Óvári <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ovari123@zoho.com"><ovari123@zoho.com></a></td>
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<div>Hi Magnus and Thunderbird Council,</div>
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<div>Hope you're well.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Please see information on our commercial version of Jitsi,
otherwise known as JaaS (Jitsi as a service). All rates quoted
here are in USD and it's a self-service model whereby you can
pay easily via credit card. Please review this <a
href="https://app.8x8.vc/payments/?preselectPlan=true&isVpaaS=true&_ga=2.41790816.376256379.1614204566-1869826280.1610678075"
moz-do-not-send="true">site</a>, currently JaaS supports up
to 100 concurrent people within a meeting session. </div>
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<div>Once you've looked at the plans please advise which plan
would suit you best?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
Leon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:24
AM Leon Avery <<a href="mailto:leon.avery@8x8.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">leon.avery@8x8.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the intro, Erin.
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<div>Hi Ovari,</div>
<div><br>
I've left you a voicemail, please call me on my mobile,
0455 700 800 when you are free.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Leon</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at
9:14 AM Erin Brown <<a
href="mailto:erin.brown@8x8.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">erin.brown@8x8.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Ovari,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks for your call this morning. I'm looping
in <a class="gmail_plusreply"
id="gmail-m_-3436932834596458939gmail-m_-5449833751245345143plusReplyChip-0"
href="mailto:leon.avery@8x8.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">@Leon Avery</a> to this
email, as he manages JaaS (Jitsi as a service)
opportunities. If you have any questions regarding
Jitsi for your Thunderbird event, please feel free
to reach out to him. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Erin <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Feb 25, 2021
at 8:17 AM Óvári <<a
href="mailto:ovari123@zoho.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ovari123@zoho.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Magnus and *,<br>
<br>
Mozilla should contact 8x8 [1]. For more information
you can contact <br>
Erin Brown at 8x8, email address is shown.<br>
<br>
The "Thunderbird Town Hall" should be call the
"Thunderbird Community <br>
Call", similar to the "Jitsi Community Call" [2]<br>
<br>
Please also see comments below.<br>
<br>
On 24/2/21 10:35 pm, Magnus Melin wrote:<br>
> Basically using Zoom is a pragmatic decision:
it's what Mozilla has <br>
> chosen to use after evaluating the options, so
there's a company <br>
> license to use it. We know it works, and it's
substantial work to <br>
> ensure competing solutions work
(free-as-in-beer solutions rarely work <br>
> at scale, and if non-free-as-in-beer: contract
hazzle).<br>
What does a pragmatic decision by Mozilla look like?<br>
<br>
Mozilla is laying off 250 people, about a quarter of
its workforce [3]<br>
<br>
Perhaps people shouldn't use Mozilla Thunderbird as
it is free/libre and <br>
open source software. People should use Microsoft
Outlook as it is a <br>
completed PIM (Personal Information Manager) that
has, out of the box, a <br>
better Contacts (aka Address Book) module,
integrates with Microsoft <br>
Exchange, TNEF-support, and the list goes on...<br>
<br>
Perhaps people shouldn't use Mozilla Firefox as
Google Chrome, Microsoft <br>
Edge and Safari are available. Chrome and Edge have
been evaluated and <br>
it was decided that it is pragmatic to not go with
Mozilla as they are <br>
letting their staff go and Google and Microsoft are
well-funded and <br>
well-connected multinational companies.<br>
<br>
Every open-source company should where possible
allow and expand <br>
proprietary software companies to become part of
their supply chain. It <br>
will help the EEE "embrace, expand and extinguish"
[4] methodology to <br>
work well.<br>
<br>
"8x8 named Leader in 2020 Gartner UCaaS Magic
Quadrant for the 9th Year <br>
in a row." [5]<br>
<br>
If people don't stand for anything, they will surely
fall for anything.<br>
<br>
><br>
> By "work" I don't mean that it kind of works
for a group of three. Do <br>
> competitors work reliably with larger crowds
(30-40 ppl, maybe more)?<br>
<br>
Yes, Jitsi Meet works with large crowds. See<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyXuxN-aNUpRv0juUXLyjbw/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyXuxN-aNUpRv0juUXLyjbw/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1</a><br>
<br>
Large educational institutions in many countries are
using Jitsi Meet.<br>
<br>
> Do you have the ability to join by smartphone
app? <br>
<br>
Yes, <a href="https://jitsi.org/downloads/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://jitsi.org/downloads/</a><br>
<br>
iOS <a
href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/jitsi-meet/id1165103905"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://apps.apple.com/us/app/jitsi-meet/id1165103905</a><br>
<br>
Android <a
href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jitsi.meet"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jitsi.meet</a><br>
<br>
F-Droid <a
href="https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.jitsi.meet/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.jitsi.meet/</a><br>
<br>
> Can you call in? I don't now, but I do know it
require legwork for <br>
> many people to find out.<br>
<br>
Yes you can call in. 8x8 [6] powers Jitsi Meet. The
call-in feature in <br>
Microsoft Teams uses the 8x8 call-in feature.<br>
<br>
What other legwork do you need? We are not
affiliated (except for using <br>
their free service) with 8x8 or Jitsi so contact 8x8
[7] to make the <br>
switch today.<br>
<br>
><br>
> -Magnus<br>
<br>
Would love to read about the Thunderbird Council
switching to Jitsi or <br>
8x8. If there are any blockers in planning and
making the switch, please <br>
email the list as there are other Thunderbird
community members who can <br>
help.<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
Óvári<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://www.8x8.com/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.8x8.com/</a><br>
<br>
[2] <a href="https://jitsi.org/TheCall/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://jitsi.org/TheCall/</a><br>
<br>
[3] <br>
<a
href="https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/11/21363424/mozilla-layoffs-quarter-staff-250-people-new-revenue-focus</a><br>
<br>
[4] <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish</a><br>
<br>
[5] <a
href="https://www.8x8.com/8/gartner-ucaas-magic-quadrant"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.8x8.com/8/gartner-ucaas-magic-quadrant</a><br>
<br>
[6] <a href="https://www.8x8.com/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.8x8.com/</a><br>
<br>
[7] <a
href="https://www.8x8.com/about-us/contact-us"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.8x8.com/about-us/contact-us</a><br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> On 2021-02-18 23:09, Óvári wrote:<br>
>> We are disappointed too.<br>
>><br>
>> We also wrote "Can you please use Jitsi
Meet or another open-source <br>
>> solution." However our message didn't get
posted.<br>
>><br>
>> On 18/2/21 8:39 am, Neal H. Walfield wrote:<br>
>>> Hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> I'm a bit disappointed to see that TB,
a free software project, is<br>
>>> using Zoom. Were free software
alternatives like Big Blue Button <br>
> or<br>
>>> Jitsi considered? If so, what is the
appeal of zoom?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks,<br>
>>><br>
>>> Neal<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2021 21:00:17 +0100,<br>
>>> Ryan Sipes wrote:<br>
>>>> Hello TB-Planning,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We are going to do a Thunderbird
Town Hall via Zoom on March 4th at <br>
>>>> 18:00 UTC! You can go to the
Thunderbird Events Google Calendar to <br>
>>>> see the info in your local<br>
>>>> timezone.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> We are going to try to do these
quarterly and invite members of the <br>
>>>> community to join and ask
questions. Project leadership will also <br>
>>>> share updates, ideas, goals, and<br>
>>>> answer questions. We will schedule
a couple each quarter at <br>
>>>> different times in order to make it
so that those who find one time <br>
>>>> inconvenient can attend another.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> You can add the Thunderbird Events
calendar via this link.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Otherwise here are the details:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Thunderbird Town Hall<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Time: 18:00 UTC<br>
>>>> Location: <a
href="https://mozilla.zoom.us/j/549511776"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mozilla.zoom.us/j/549511776</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ---<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Feel free to ask any questions you
have here or directly to me.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ryan Sipes<br>
>>>> Community Manager<br>
>>>> Thunderbird<br>
>>>
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