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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.09.20 um 07:53 schrieb Magnus
Melin:<br>
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cite="mid:8b215c9a-1ad0-1281-737c-c88443b5a892@iki.fi">On
2020-09-23 01:13, Ben Bucksch wrote: <br>
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Because I think that any such discussion should *start* with
asking the community. <br>
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The discussion should be held *in* the community. <br>
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And then the TB Council members decide based on what consensus
formed. </blockquote>
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This seems very contradictory to... anything.</blockquote>
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<p>Interesting that you think so.</p>
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cite="mid:8b215c9a-1ad0-1281-737c-c88443b5a892@iki.fi">So you're
saying the council should *not* drive the project into the
directions it wants, but mainly listen to the loudest voices from
the community?</blockquote>
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<p>Red herring. Please replace "loudest" with "most reasonable". Or
even "loudest voices" with "most reasonable arguments", because
somebody can have a good idea or good insight on one specific
topic only.<br>
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<p>Otherwise: Yes. That is the very meaning of "Community-driven
project". The TB Council has been created, specifically to allow
TB to be a "community-driven project". It is in the term itself
that the project is not driven by the Council, but by the
community. The Council is merely the organ that is listening to
the community.</p>
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<p>"Thunderbird is created by an online community of volunteers." <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/">[1]</a><br>
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<p>"<b>Thunderbird is an independent, </b><b><u>community</u></b><b>
driven project</b>" (bold and underline are in the <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/thunderbird-faq">original
document</a>) <br>
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<p>Or are you saying that only the Council members are the
"community"? That would even be factually incorrect, because
Thunderbird is created by people outside the Council. And yes,
those that create should also be those that drive.</p>
<p>If you don't give creators (those outside the Council) the
ability to also drive and participate in decisions, then they just
leave.<br>
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cite="mid:8b215c9a-1ad0-1281-737c-c88443b5a892@iki.fi">Isn't this
*why* we have elections, so that a smaller group can make
decisions?</blockquote>
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<p>Yes, correct. That's what I said above: The TB Council makes the
decisions. But <b>after</b> having listened to the community, and
gathered their input.</p>
<p>Input can be:</p>
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<li>insight into specific topics (the TB Council members cannot
possibly be expert in everything)</li>
<li>good ideas (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming#Osborn's_method">brainstorming</a>
(see link) lives from the multitude and quantity of ideas -
that's precisely why you should start with community input) or</li>
<li>simply a certain opinion (e.g. we value privacy, we values
addons etc.).</li>
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<p>Ben</p>
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