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<p>Hey Mihovil,</p>
<p>I'm sorry that you feel that way.</p>
<p>There have been a few accusations like this throughout this
election cycle. Assuming that the Council has nefarious aims or is
being dishonest.</p>
<p>However, as has been laid out in previous planning posts - what
we do not discuss publicly is business around staff pay, raises,
or other operational things such as how to hire someone in
Germany. This stuff involves contractor personal information or
agreements with partners that should remain confidential.</p>
<p>For most things I think everyone is very upfront and clear about
how they feel and what they want to accomplish.</p>
<p>In this particular matter, I shared this document with the goal
of prompting discussion of where specific responsibilities should
lie. I think out loud and often bring ideas to the Council that
are iterated upon, re-worked, or dismissed outright. But that is
how progress is made.</p>
<p>Instead this process was used here as an attack.<br>
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<p>I'm more than happy to answer any questions on this thread about
these ideas. On this particular topic I think that the Council
should, yes, <i><b>narrow</b></i> their role to setting a yearly
budget (versus approving all expenditures), setting strategy, and
then serving as ombudsmen to ensure that the community and team
are doing what they need to do. Not sitting over every single
decision that has to be made. It's particularly ineffective when
most of the Council are volunteers, and some things that need to
be done are time sensitive. This is how most boards would operate
in any organization.</p>
<p>But saying this is what the entire Council wants, as Berna
implied, is not fair. This was one option thrown out there which,
so far, no one has explicitly voiced support for (in fact I've so
far heard support for only small changes to how the Council is
run). This is a process, a slow one taken on by volunteers. I
would hope that we could have discussions about how to do things
without being accused of undertaking nefarious plots.<br>
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<p>Ryan<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/20 4:36 PM, Mihovil Stanić
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Thank you for this Berna.<br>
Finally some truth and direct communication from Council members.<br>
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I personally don't mind if Mozilla totally takes over TB managing
without community, but then don't pretend it's community project.
Run it without having community facade and take responsibility for
you actions, good or bad.<br>
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Only thing I resent to current TB management is secrecy and
dishonesty.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
Mihovil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">22.09.2020 u 14:45, Berna Alp piše:<br>
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The next council will oversee change in the model of operation.
Philipp has announced this in his personal statement, so he does
not see that as a confidential council subject, I<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> provide some insight
into this most CRITICAL subject and how it may look. <br>
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There is a draft proposal to the Council that envisions a
staff organization with CEO and similar staff roles, WHERE the
role for the future Thunderbird Council Responsibilities were
narrowed (that was the actual word) to ONE single item:<span
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<li><span class="Apple-converted-space">Approving a yearly
budget<br>
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Surrounded with a little fluff
like ‘helping the team…’ and ‘championing community concerns’,
effectively meaning RIEN DU TOUT.<br>
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Such a Council will have no effective role, other than to
exist as a facade. You may as well eliminate it as waste of
time. This proposal leaves the Council with ZERO power in the
future, and hands ALL executive power to the staff members,
WITHOUT a proper and effective oversight mechanism. One of the
worries was how to avoid a rogue council? As if an<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>elected</u><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>council could ever be
rogue...It has something to do with democracy. </div>
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