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<tt>Dear Ryan,</tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/20 7:42 PM, Ryan Sipes wrote:<br>
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The brainstorming wasn't conducted in secret, it was conducted
with my fellow Council members. Which is normal, as the elected
decision makers of the project, that we would have these sort of
discussions. What I was upset about in this instance is Berna
shared only one part of a document out of context.<br>
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inline !important; float: none;">As it was not conducted in
secret, please share the full document with all comments (not the
redacted one) so that all context becomes clear to the electorate
and they do not need to second guess. And it was Philipp who
announced this to the community, not me. Did he portray it in a
more correct context? Please let the people decide on it for
themselves.</span><br>
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Regards,<br>
--ba<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On September 22, 2020 8:12:49 PM
GMT+03:00, Eyal Rozenberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il"><eyalroz@technion.ac.il></a> wrote:
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<pre dir="auto" class="k9mail">Ryan, your brainstorming should not have been conducted in secret. If
you (= the council) were mindful of your duty to your electorate, you
would have presented the alternatives with all the necessary context, a
while ago already.
I'm glad that Berna has decided to publish this document - which should
never have been kept secret - even if it's just before the elections.
Transparency is severely lacking in our project and I commend her for
taking us a step in the right direction on that issue.
Eyal
On 22/09/2020 15:57, Ryan Sipes wrote:
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There are currently 4 different proposals (in the doc you are quoting
from) for how the Council, staff, and MZLA board would interact with
each other and where responsibilities would lie in that document. This
was one option and the document has multiple "TODOs" all over it where
more needs to be filled in. As the original author, it was intended as a
place to brainstorm and iterate, not a complete proposal (and it
couldn't be because there are multiple, very different, ideas for for
how responsibilities could be split within it).
Coming up with ideas for how to do this is an iterative process and
presenting this as the pre-agreed upon outcome before anyone has voted
or even finished sharing their thoughts is upsetting to me. I have put
forward a number of ideas on this front for how we could streamline
processes in Thunderbird instead of having the Council decide on every
single expenditure, hire, and various other day-to-day operations.
Many Council members perform all sorts of roles as volunteers, often
working full-time jobs on top of their full-time jobs on Council work
(just ask Wayne). As a result, offloading some of that responsibility to
our paid team members is an area of discussion, but there is still a lot
more to do on this front before it's ready for a vote.
This out-of-context presentation of what is being discussed is misleading.
Ryan
On 9/22/20 3:45 PM, Berna Alp wrote:
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On 9/21/20 7:29 PM, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
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</blockquote> I have not yet decided to run, but I would invite anyone who cares
about keeping Thunderbird a community-run project, to be a candidate,
because of the following:
Biggest Challenge for next year
The next council will oversee change in the model of operation.
Philipp has announced this in his personal statement, so he does not
see that as a confidential council subject, I provide some insight
into this most CRITICAL subject and how it may look.
There is a draft proposal to the Council that envisions a staff
organization with CEO and similar staff roles, WHERE the role for the
future Thunderbird Council Responsibilities were narrowed (that was
the actual word) to ONE single item:
* Approving a yearly budget
Surrounded with a little fluff like
‘helping the team…’ and ‘championing community concerns’, effectively
meaning RIEN DU TOUT.
Such a Council will have no effective role, other than to exist as a
facade. You may as well eliminate it as waste of time. This proposal
leaves the Council with ZERO power in the future, and hands ALL
executive power to the staff members, WITHOUT a proper and effective
oversight mechanism. One of the worries was how to avoid a rogue
council? As if an_elected_council could ever be rogue...It has
something to do with democracy.
I have been the only Council member pushing back against this
proposal, which is effectively fully removing the community and the
council from any decision, power and oversight, and this will hence
likely be implemented if the Council does not change in
composition/majority.
I believe that change is necessary in the management of Thunderbird
and further professionalism is a good thing, qualified staff and best
practices should be the goal. Governance and conflict of interest
processes should be clearly defined, independently monitored and
transparent to all.
This proposal for future Council role is a change in the wrong
direction by removing effective community oversight of the staff
positions and of the future of Thunderbird. It will be the END of
Thunderbird as a community project. There is no way back if it happens.
I encourage every community member on the electoral roll to self
nominate, especially if you care and remember that you get what you
vote for.
If you want me to run again, drop me a personal note. A few positives
nudges may remind me why I did this in the first place…
Regards,
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