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<tt>Hello all, </tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/20 2:57 PM, Ryan Sipes wrote:<br>
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<p>There are currently 4 different proposals (in the doc you are
quoting from) for how the Council, staff, and MZLA board would
interact with each other and where responsibilities would lie in
that document. This was one option and the document has multiple
"TODOs" all over it where more needs to be filled in. As the
original author, it was intended as a place to brainstorm and
iterate, not a complete proposal (and it couldn't be because
there are multiple, very different, ideas for for how
responsibilities could be split within it).<br>
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<p>Coming up with ideas for how to do this is an iterative process
and presenting this as the pre-agreed upon outcome before anyone
has voted or even finished sharing their thoughts is upsetting
to me. I have put forward a number of ideas on this front for
how we could streamline processes in Thunderbird instead of
having the Council decide on every single expenditure, hire, and
various other day-to-day operations. <br>
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You are missing the point. We had quite strong opinions on how the
council should look in the future. Also, <u>strategy</u> ownership
was certainly not on the proposed list. I think these strong
opinions illustrate well where the council members stand on the
subject. I recommend that we publish all the 4 different proposals
with all the posted comments and let the electorate determine by
itself, where each council member stands. How about full
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<p>Many Council members perform all sorts of roles as volunteers,
often working full-time jobs on top of their full-time jobs on
Council work (just ask Wayne). As a result, offloading some of
that responsibility to our paid team members is an area of
discussion, but there is still a lot more to do on this front
before it's ready for a vote.</p>
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<tt>Not sure where you want to go here, as I am all for
professionalizing the organization – but not for dis empowering
the council at the same time.</tt><tt><br>
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<tt>- I, as a volunteer with another job plus two other board seats
and probably the most independent council member, wrote a full set
of by-laws to introduce governance and transparency, to address
the conflicts of interest, personnel, etc. The document is
available to anyone interested. I also pushed for and provided a
blueprint to introduce performance management via OKR. These are
best practices that any organization should strive for, I had the
experience so I did it.</tt><tt><span
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</tt><tt>If we volunteers have less actual ‘work’ to do in the
future, then we can invest that time into better governance and
oversight.</tt><tt><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></tt><br>
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<tt>- Can you please provide the community with the list of your
deliverables as community manager, on which you spent roughly 70
weeks x 40 hours of paid time since the last election. What major
things did you accomplish in those 2,800 hours? What results
should one reasonably expect from an executive role in 2,800h? The
Council did not even manage a single strategy or vision session in
18 months, and last time I requested one, you said we'll do it
with the next council. Mozilla did do pretty much 99.9% of the
MZLA creation work...</tt><tt><span class="Apple-converted-space">
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<tt>What does not belong on the list, is the community manager
standing up against the bullying I get each time I ask for
something on the council calls, matrix channel or over email.</tt>
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<p>This out-of-context presentation of what is being discussed is
misleading.<br>
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Are you saying I am misleading the community? What would be
incorrect in your opinion in the point I raised? Why would this
process be any more transparent than the MZLA structure creation?<br>
As said, I am for total transparency and to let people form their
own opinions.<br>
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Regards,<br>
--ba<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/20 3:45 PM, Berna Alp wrote:<br>
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<tt>Hello all,</tt><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/21/20 7:29 PM, Eyal Rozenberg
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<div>I have not yet decided to run, but I would invite anyone
who cares about keeping Thunderbird a community-run project,
to be a candidate, because of the following:</div>
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Biggest Challenge for next year<br>
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The next council will oversee change in the model of
operation. Philipp has announced this in his personal
statement, so he does not see that as a confidential council
subject, I<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> provide
some insight into this most CRITICAL subject and how it may
look. <br>
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There is a draft proposal to the Council that envisions a
staff organization with CEO and similar staff roles, WHERE the
role for the future Thunderbird Council Responsibilities were
narrowed (that was the actual word) to ONE single item:<span
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<li><span class="Apple-converted-space">Approving a yearly
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Surrounded with a little fluff
like ‘helping the team…’ and ‘championing community concerns’,
effectively meaning RIEN DU TOUT.<br>
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Such a Council will have no effective role, other than to
exist as a facade. You may as well eliminate it as waste of
time. This proposal leaves the Council with ZERO power in the
future, and hands ALL executive power to the staff members,
WITHOUT a proper and effective oversight mechanism. One of the
worries was how to avoid a rogue council? As if an<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>elected</u><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>council could ever be
rogue...It has something to do with democracy. <br>
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I have been the only Council member pushing back against this
proposal, which is effectively fully removing the community
and the council from any decision, power and oversight, and
this will hence likely be implemented if the Council does not
change in composition/majority.<br>
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I believe that change is necessary in the management of
Thunderbird and further professionalism is a good thing,
qualified staff and best practices should be the goal.
Governance and conflict of interest processes should be
clearly defined, independently monitored and transparent to
all. <br>
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This proposal for future Council role is a change in the wrong
direction by removing effective community oversight of the
staff positions and of the future of Thunderbird. It will be
the END of Thunderbird as a community project. There is no way
back if it happens. <br>
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I encourage every community member on the electoral roll to
self nominate, especially if you care and remember that you
get what you vote for.<br>
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If you want me to run again, drop me a personal note. A few
positives nudges may remind me why I did this in the first
place…<br>
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Regards,<br>
--ba<br>
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