<div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>This is the first time I'm posting to this list, so let me intro myself extremely briefly: I'm the CTO at the Center for Democracy and Technology and I've participated in the IETF for a while; am the co-chair of an IRTF research group on human rights and protocol considerations.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm also following calext wg in the IETF by email and I attend their sessions when they have them, and perhaps some of you here are as well -- I'm not super great with names when I haven't matched them to a face. The IETF is a good place to work on this standard of course, but more importantly to this conversation could be a place to speak with implementers like Google to ask that they follow spec, or understand better why they don't.</div><div><br></div><div>My 2c,</div><div>-Mallory</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:26 AM Philipp Kewisch <<a href="mailto:kewisch@thunderbird.net">kewisch@thunderbird.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>There is an opportunity to talk to
      other members of CalConnect, especially during the events.
      Supporting tasks via CalDAV is definitely something that has come
      up in the past (I've been an individual member in the time leading
      to this). We can certainly continue to show the benefits of
      standards, but there is of course only so much we can do to
      persuade them to prioritize that specific feature. Let's start
      with a few lighter discussions first, I'm sure it can be brought
      up as a sidebar during one of the events.</div>
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    <div>Philipp<br>
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    <div>On 4/20/20 12:12 PM, neandr wrote:<br>
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      <p>We all know Goggle goes its "own" way for defining and working
        with tasks. This makes the exchange impossible with solutions
        following the industry standards. These are only as good as the
        market participants accept and support them. <br>
        How works CalConnect for a Google move? Can TB/Mozilla
        contribute here?<br>
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      <div>Am 20.04.20 um 08:29 schrieb Philipp
        Kewisch:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">No worries Matt, thanks for bringing it up. Let
          us know if there are other areas we should push for.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr">Philipp </div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">On 19. Apr 2020, at 4:38 PM, Matt
            Harris <a href="mailto:unicorn.consulting@gmail.com" target="_blank"><unicorn.consulting@gmail.com></a>
            wrote:<br>
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            <font face="Calibri">True, I had assumed the limitation was
              caldav not google. My apologies for the noise.</font><br>
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            <div>On 19-Apr-20 6:14 PM, John
              Bieling wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">I assume he refers to the fact, that
                lightning cannot display tasks of google users, if they
                use caldav. But that is of course a limitation of
                google, not of the CalDAV Standard.</div>
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              <div dir="ltr">John</div>
              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                <blockquote type="cite">Am 19.04.2020 um 10:25 schrieb
                  Philipp Kewisch <a href="mailto:kewisch@thunderbird.net" target="_blank"><kewisch@thunderbird.net></a>:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Hi Matt,</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">could you clarify what you mean? Tasks
                    can already be stored in caldav from a standards
                    perspective. Maybe there is a specific tasks feature
                    you are missing?</div>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Philipp </div>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">On 19. Apr 2020, at 5:40 AM,
                      Matt Harris <a href="mailto:unicorn.consulting@gmail.com" target="_blank"><unicorn.consulting@gmail.com></a>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <font face="Calibri">I would hope we will be
                        behind a move to standardize tasks into the
                        caldav spec.<br>
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                        Matt<br>
                      </font>On 17-Apr-20 8:02 PM, Magnus Melin wrote:<br>
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                        guess more of the latter, and more specific
                        things to push for would come in the future. <br>
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                         -Magnus <br>
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                        On 2020-04-16 22:20, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: <br>
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                          Do we have specific things we want to push
                          within CalConnect, or is it more of us
                          exhibiting civic virtue (which is a valid
                          thing to do)? <br>
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                          On 16/04/2020 14:20, Magnus Melin wrote: <br>
                          <blockquote type="cite">Hey, the practical
                            implications of the membership are - if I
                            may summarize - that you get a place at the
                            table when standardization around
                            calendaring is discussed and standards in
                            that area developed. See <br>
                            <br>
                              * <a href="https://www.calconnect.org/membership/why-join" target="_blank">https://www.calconnect.org/membership/why-join</a>
                            <br>
                              * <a href="https://www.calconnect.org/membership/membership-benefits" target="_blank">https://www.calconnect.org/membership/membership-benefits</a>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            "CalConnect... [] ... is a non-profit
                            partnership between vendors and users of
                            collaboration systems and tools, in
                            particular calendaring and scheduling. <br>
                            <br>
                            There is a yearly 3k membership fee, that
                            includes getting some benefits around
                            CalConnect conferences and general
                            visibility as well as improved possibilities
                            to influence standardization work. With
                            Lightning now integrated in Thunderbird, I
                            think this is an area worth participating
                            in. <br>
                            <br>
                              -Magnus <br>
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                            On 2020-04-14 23:39, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: <br>
                            <blockquote type="cite"> <br>
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                              On 14/04/2020 20:30, Magnus Melin wrote: <br>
                              <blockquote type="cite">  * Motion by
                                Philipp for Thunderbird to join
                                CalConnect <br>
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                              Can someone write some more about the
                              practical implications of this membership
                              - both in terms of what we "get" and what
                              we will need to "give back"? Or is it more
                              of an advisory/vision-setting
                              organization? <br>
                              <br>
                              More generally - perhaps some background
                              on the TB-CalConnect interaction? <br>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Mallory Knodel</div><div>CTO, Center for Democracy and Technology<br>gpg fingerprint :: E3EB 63E0 65A3 B240 BCD9  B071 0C32 A271 BD3C C780<br></div>
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