<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 17:31:12 +1300<br>
From: jwq <<a href="mailto:Bugzilla@quilty.org" target="_blank">Bugzilla@quilty.org</a>><br>
To: "Thunderbird planning (moderated)" <<a href="mailto:tb-planning@mozilla.org" target="_blank">tb-planning@mozilla.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: ExchangeCalendar Extension: Publication on ATN<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>FYI, there were some discussion last year Oct about alternative add-ons solutions such as OWL, TbSync+EAS, etc... in this tread <a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2018-October/006214.html">https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2018-October/006214.html</a> if that can be of interest to anyone...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">> I think we all acknowledge that Outlook Exchange<br>
support is critically important<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>From an end-user point of view, it is long overdue for Thunderbird to support out-of-the box an "MS Exchange" feature (easy to setup) to sync reliably and with performance all emails, contacts, calendar, tasks (at the minimum) with a Microsoft email systems...</div><div><br></div><div>What ever solution is implemented OWA, Exchange ActiveSync (EAS), Exchange Web Services (EWS), REST APIs for Office 365, or else... it **must** be **compatible** with various Exchange version including 365, and **must** be reliable and performant... especially with large data sets...</div><div><br></div><div>Rewrite or no rewrite the most important is a solution that **just works** and **well**... and maintained over time of course... Yes I am an idealist :-)<br>From a personal point of view it would be great for the solution to be integrated to TbSync (one place to setup all accounts), itself integrated by default to TB as core feature (similarly to Lightning) :-)</div><div><br></div><div>This is the imperative requirement to get close to a chance of grabbing any market share off Outlook ideally... I am just saying this from my personal experience with numerous Outlook/Thunderbird users and attempts to move over...</div><div><br></div><div>Currently **capability (including add-on compatibility)**, **reliability**, **performance** issues in Thunderbird are what are pushing people off it... those are not part of your usage statistics... and that is sad to see because numerous existing paper cut issues could be already fixed... some of them are of course... but not all long lasting issue... just not yet enough at the level it should be... **polished**... the next ESR must be... as the current one isn't :-)</div><div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I'm much keener on the suggestion of getting Ben B on-board :-)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Having a dedicated person/team for such feature appear essential to guaranty a certain level of quality.</div><div><br></div><div>For getting more people on board, I think the "divide/gap" between end-users expectation, add-on developer expectation and TB core team limitations must come to an "end" somehow... people shall stop "fighting again each other"... and "keep working together" more to find solution and implement them... </div><div><br></div><div>I still get the feeling that TB core team while trying to do their best fall short sometime of taking responsibility being able to listen and answer its user-base
needs (including the add-on developers or their user-base)... sometime it may feel like falling on deaf ear... and therefore are loosing potential users/contributors (including add-on dev) due to lack of resources and proper communication/accompaniment...<br>==> TB teams, please help!</div><div><br></div><div>But there are plenty of resources out there that certainly are ready to get involved one way or another and may just be a matter for TB core team to engage more with community and tap into this pool to lead/encourage/accompany/coordinate more... to bring more contributors/contributions... that is the only way to fix the resource issue... so much needed to fix TB in many ways... currently the level of self motivation one must have to have something fixed in TB is very high from an end-user/new contributor point of view... while it should not be that hard to get support and contribute or feel heard by the support / developer teams... to have things fixed!</div><div>==> TB teams, please help!</div><div><br></div><div>Also when you hear on one hand that TB core team is not too concerned to lose 2-5% of users base I don't think this is right in the principal...as a developer you have a certain responsibility towards your existing user (and add-on developers)... If you have 1 millions users, that is still a lot of them that you put off...while impacting your reputation... TB Core team should always listen to complains and not just dismiss them saying they did what they could (did they?) but encourage/accompany people to find solutions to the problem they raise especially in migration time... This is already done to some extend but more could be done perhaps... If someone **cannot** migrate to upper version of TB... because a legacy add-on is not compatible, that should raise a red flag, Houston we have a problem!!! That should raise concern in TB core team to provide necessary assistance to assist, not by keeping legacy add-on running on old tech, but to make new version of TB better and better, help add-on lead developer to proceed with migration towards a compatible webextension in some way...
or allow/ease a take over of ownership in case current owner cannot fix issues... if not directly by TB core team, by encouraging third-party to take over it starting from the add-on user base... also engage more with add-on dev to know which webextension they need... and help them...</div><div>==> TB teams, please help! </div><div> <br>The two years floating governance issue may also have not helped sorting the migration path of legacy add-on towards webextension system... and contribute to TB loosing performance (or not gaining any), to people losing faith in the project or alternatively using legacy version of TB for longer than they should have... to keep add-on they rely on working... it is time to bring back faith!!!</div><div>==> TB teams, please help! </div><div> <br></div><div>On the other end, end-users and add-on developers needs to understand that technology evolves and what works yesterday may no longer work in the future without a little elbow grease... so get involved raise/analyse issues and help find solutions to fix them in measure of possible to help the TB core team as well and all other users out there...we are all in the same boat after all...</div><div>==> End users, please help! <br></div><div><br></div><div>Solutions always exists... as far as they are worked on **together**...</div><div><br></div><div>Wishful thinking I know... oh!... no!... wait!... it is already happening...</div></div></div>