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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11-Apr-19 1:22 AM, Ryan Sipes wrote:<br>
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On 4/10/19 9:02 AM, Onno Ekker wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Maybe it helps to clearly define what a browser based app is. People
read browser and associate it with a website and immediately think of
webmail. People read app and think of the Mail App on their iPhone.
Thunderbird isn't running in the browser, it <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>is<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> the browser. And if
Thunderbird will be available as an app for my mobile phone somewhere in
the distant future, I'd be very happy, because at the moment handling
mail on the phone is subpar.
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<p>As per the part about a mobile phone app, there are no plans
for this at the moment - but we could get much closer if we
could create/use components that would be applicable for both
the desktop and mobile apps. That way we wouldn't duplicate
effort any more than we have to.</p>
<p>I would be willing to help chase this if we had folks
interested in contributing to the effort and who could help
identify places where we can use components that would work for
both use cases.</p>
<p>Just thinking out loud, none of this represents anyone else's
opinions.<br>
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<i>Ryan, As you say it is not on the agenda now and probably not
for a while yet, perhaps even a long while. I am a proponent of a
mobile Thunderbird, and not because I want to use it. For the
vocal naysayers, it is the future. Either we go there and grow
or stay desktop only and struggle. This, I think, is the reality
that MoCo has accepted with the Firefox browsers that do not use
Geko for IOS and Android.<br>
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I personally have little or no use for a mobile Thunderbird, but I
am not a typical user. </i><i><i>There is a demand from users,
but it is a demand for a Thunderbird that knows about the
desktop install and will synchronise settings and filters,
something that integrates, no isolates. </i>Without moving to
a Mobile platform, a Thunderbird that managed to integrate more
than one install, on a laptop and a desktop, say would be
groundwork that would be well received and still be bound to the
desktop and make the ultimate migration to mobile less onerous. <br>
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I would also like to see something in those app stores so we do
not have to go the copyright route to get rid of the Thunderbird
clones, using the name and the mark. Instead of a vacuum we need
to be filling the niches, not enforcing rights. Significantly
more people use Android and IOS than have ever spun up a copy of
Linux, so lets not get into concerns about our pet operating
system, we need to deliver what the user wants, I have Ideas,
but I do not profess to know what they really want, and I honestly
doubt anyone else on this list does either. What I do know is
that Apples iPhone has a 28% market share compared to our 1%. We
are now at least in the list of top 10 mail clients. If we had a
footprint into mobile we would stand a chance of eroding some of
the others. Only 1 other of those 10 mail "clients" are actual
desktop mail clients (Microsoft Outlook). Desktop outside of the
business environment is shrinking. I have appended the current
list I am quoting from <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://emailclientmarketshare.com/">https://emailclientmarketshare.com/</a>
current as at 1st April 2019 to the end of this email. I am aware
of the weakness of these types of lists, so I do not need a
lesson in graphics being used for tracking or email analytics, nor
how our default image blocking can adversely affect our rankings.<br>
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The Gaia mail app from Firefox O/S would make a logically starting
point for a mobile email app, designed to run on a phone using a
Linux O/S and with a lot of the same server side dependencies as
Thunderbird, ISPDB etc and already including activSync. But I for
one am not expecting anything serious in the way of effort here
for a quite significant timeframe, especially as the browser that
would have to be used internally is not Firefox. But I must
reiterate, I see it as a future project, not something that
should be on any sort term forward plan, but something Thunderbird
should be committed to doing. Lets get the Desktop fixed up and
humming along before we bite off bigger and perhaps more difficult
fruit but lets not forget what computing devices our users
actually own and use.<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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<p>#1</p>
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solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right:
none; padding-top: 0.1cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Apple iPhone </p>
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solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right:
none; padding-top: 0.1cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>28% </p>
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width="37">
<p>+0.01</p>
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border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
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<p>#2</p>
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border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Gmail </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>26% </p>
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border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>-1.0</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#3</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Outlook </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>9% </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.1</p>
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</tr>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#4</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Apple iPad </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>9% </p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.13</p>
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</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#5</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Apple Mail </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>8% </p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.07</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#6</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Yahoo! Mail </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>7% </p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>-0.07</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#7</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Outlook.com </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>2% </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.15</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#8</p>
</td>
<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Google Android </p>
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border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>2% </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.39</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#9</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="143">
<p>Samsung Mail </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="4368">
<p>2% </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>-0.25</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
0.1cm; padding-right: 0cm" width="29">
<p>#10</p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
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<p>Thunderbird </p>
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border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none;
padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm; padding-left:
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<p>1% </p>
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<td style="border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #000000;
border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid
#000000; padding-top: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0.1cm;
padding-left: 0.1cm; padding-right: 0.1cm" width="37">
<p>+0.02</p>
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<span class="percentage" title="1% market share in March 2019"><span
class="change positive" title="0.02% change over the previous
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