<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
</head>
<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<p>Hey Amir,</p>
<p>There is a lot here - but I will try to add my thoughts.</p>
<p>Firstly, I use IRC within Thunderbird and find it nice to be able
to search my email and chat all in one place. But I know I'm
likely the exception here and not the rule. However, I have heard
a few folks in enterprise set their employees up with Thunderbird
and use it for email and XMPP (for internal chat).<br>
</p>
<p>But I do have ideas for how chat in Thunderbird might look going
forward. I've spoken to some of the devs about this to gauge
feasibility - but never really shared my thoughts publicly with
the community. So here goes:</p>
<p>I think that we should create a feature called <b>Thunderbird
Teams</b> that uses the Matrix protocol and our current chat
paradigm that you see with IRC - but makes it easy to spin up
channels and invite others to join your channel using Thunderbird.
I'd even like to work out a deal with Modular.im where you could
spin up your own private instance and invite others to join too
(for those who want to own the server). And I'd like to have this
all be possible to set up from within Thunderbird.</p>
<p>Why do I think this is a good way forward?</p>
<ol>
<li><b>Slack-like paradigm using open protocols in Thunderbird</b>
- people are so accustomed to persistent chat but many people
are using closed, proprietary applications to collaborate with
their teams. We could offer an alternative.</li>
<li><b>Integration with calendar and email </b>- Thunderbird
Teams could be well-integrated with built-in email and calendar.
For instance, imagine sharing an event invite or an email within
the chat seamlessly with a couple of clicks.<br>
</li>
<li><b>Versatility </b>- Matrix supports one-on-one chat as well
as channels and allows for sharing media easily. This seems like
a natural next step for chat in Thunderbird and will cover many
use cases.</li>
</ol>
<p>Finally, we almost have a working implementation from a couple
years ago. With some work we could have an up-to-date Matrix
implementation and then build a nice, straightforward experience
on top of that.</p>
<p>To sum all this up, I disagree - I don't think we should be
running away from instant messaging in Thunderbird. I think we
should be focusing on an implementation that best serves our users
and improves Thunderbird in a meaningful way.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
<p>Ryan Sipes<br>
Community Manager<br>
Thunderbird<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/2019 12:36 AM, Amir Farsi
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAByZZ7_ApwCGwY=G_Adr75s7+bj+6LKajeSyUsd9teS+QPxxDQ@mail.gmail.com">
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div dir="rtl">
<div style="text-align:left"><br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Hello.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Currently InstantBird is Integrated with
Thunderbird. It's becauase some times Companies and
Communication sorftware builders Including Google, Mozilla,...
thinked it's better to have an integrated communication suite.
Mozilla merged Instant Bird and Thunderbird, Google Merged
Google Talk(Hangouts) and Gmail,....</div>
<div dir="ltr">But It seems ordinary users don't want to chat
when they're using email. Users prerfer to have instant
messaging app as a separate app but on All of platforms(Like:
Web, Desktop, Mobile, Even Tablets). If you look at most
popular instant messaging Apps, those are sepereate from email
clients. You can look at Telegram, Pidgin, Singal Private
Messaging App,...</div>
<div dir="ltr">I think future version of Thunderird and It's
Instant Messaging Subsystem should be separate. However you
can publish Insrtant Bird as a Thunderbird Add-On, Thunderbird
should focus on email and have Web App, Desktop, and Mobile
App. If you want to keep instahnt messaging as sub system of
thunderbird, how you will make this sub system in Thundrebhird
Mobile App? You can't do it. It's not common. I think we
should have two things:</div>
<div dir="ltr">Thunderbird: Web, Deasktop, Mobile, Tablet</div>
<div dir="ltr">Thunderbird Competitors: Outlook, Opera Mail,...<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Instant Bird: Web. Desktop, Mobile, Tablet, Addon
for email clients(Like Thunderbird, Gmail,)</div>
<div dir="ltr">Instant Bird Competitors: KiwiIRC.com, Pidgin,
CloudIRC.com, Telegram, ChatZilla,..<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">Even i think next instant bird should not be only
a chat application. It should support VOIP like SIP</div>
<div dir="ltr">In addition, you can add Telegram support to
Insrtant Bird too. I mean Instrant Bird can be like Plus
Messenger and otther third party Telegram Clients if user
selected Telegram in instant bird. Telegram supporting make a
third party apps via it's API.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Note: I don't say Instant Bird Should be only a
Telegram Cleint. Instant Bird would support Next Generation of
IRC(IRC v3, Telegram, XMPP, SIP,...)</div>
<div dir="ltr">Best wishs for you.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Amir<br>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________
tb-planning mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tb-planning@mozilla.org">tb-planning@mozilla.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>