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<p>Well, I let this one through on accident. But I'll explain why I
won't be letting the others through.</p>
<p>I think the idea is a neat one and I agree that Firefox has great
brand recognition compared the Thunderbird (and even Mozilla).
But, this simply isn't possible given our current relationship to
Firefox's driver, the Mozilla Corporation (MoCo).</p>
<p>Perhaps that will change in the future, and we're having some
conversations about our relationship to all parts of Mozilla - but
what you are describing would require full buy-in from MoCo and,
at present, I don't see that happening.</p>
<p>We are headed towards a Thunderbird that could be run in a
browser (or at least that is one vision for the future that Magnus
talked about in his run for Council). As we get closer to that we
could approach MoCo and the Firefox team and see where we can work
together.</p>
<p>But, I think time is better spent thinking about how we can
leverage the Thunderbird brand to do really cool stuff that people
want to use.<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Ryan Sipes
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<small>Community and Business Development Manager</small>
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<a href="https://thunderbird.net">Thunderbird</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/5/19 8:03 AM, Amir Farsi wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Eyal, youy said "Firefox Mail suggests a focus on
web-based mail access, which is<span class="gmail-im"><br>
the opposite of what Thunderbird offer"</span></div>
<div dir="ltr">I wanted to say it's not opposite with what
Thunderbird offer as well as Opera Mail isn't opposite with
What Opera Mail offers.</div>
<div dir="ltr">In addition, IMO Firefox Mail shouldn't be only
an email client, it can be have a web based versioin too! Yes,
a Cloud independent mail client web app. Users shold be able
goto <a href="https://mail.firefox.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.firefox.com</a> and
connect it to their email accounts on mail servers via POP3
and... and cloud servers will do required works instead of
desktop/mobile.</div>
<div dir="ltr">In addition, users should be able to install Web
based Firefox Mail on their own servers. It will not a email
service it should be a cloud email client only. However it can
be a secure email service too as well as Firefox Send is a
Secure Cloud Storage Service.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Amir.</div>
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<div dir="rtl" class="gmail_attr">Eyal Rozenberg <<a
href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il" moz-do-not-send="true">eyalroz@technion.ac.il</a>>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ok,
since you're actually seriously arguing for this:<br>
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1. Thunderbird is a mail client, not a browser. It is not a
browser<br>
attachment, nor a browser modification. "Firefox Mail"
suggests the<br>
opposite.<br>
2. "Firefox mail" suggests a focus on web-based mail access,
which is<br>
the opposite of what Thunderbird offers.<br>
3. It would sound as though the developers are ashamed of
their own<br>
software - so much so that they had to hide the name.<br>
4. I am against ever talking to "brand strategists". Also, no<br>
astrologers and no psychics.<br>
5. Thunderbird's relation to Firefox is gradually weakening,
not getting<br>
stronger - no sense in pretending as though the opposite is
happening.<br>
6. Thunderbird's current predicament is not the result of a
poor choice<br>
of name. The name is fine.<br>
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Eyal<br>
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On 05/04/2019 15:57, Amir Farsi wrote:<br>
> * No. It's a *Brand and marketing solutions to save the
most popular<br>
> open source email software*, not April Fool's joke.<br>
> <br>
> I know currently, Thunderbird is a Mozilla Foundation
incubated project,<br>
> not Mozilla Corporation's product. But as you know,
*Mozilla Messaging*<br>
> (abbreviated *MoMo*) was a wholly owned, for-profit
subsidiary of the<br>
> non-profit Mozilla Foundation and Thunderbird was their
product. But as<br>
> result of reducing Thunderbird market share, MoMo merged
with Mozilla<br>
> Corporation and periority of Thunderbird reduced for MoCo
and even MoFo.<br>
> But i think popularity of Firefox brand can help to
Thunderbird to make<br>
> it popular again.<br>
> *I think if tb-council talk with a Branding Strategist,
they will<br>
> recommend rebranding to Firerfox Mail*.<br>
> Recently, mozilla corporation using Firefox brand for all
of it's<br>
> products. And their new branding techhnique was
suceessful. Firefox<br>
> Lockbox isn't a Web Browser but it's using Firefox brand
to be sucessful.<br>
> I want to request you(tb-council) to *talk with MoFo andf
MoCo board of<br>
> directors and Mitchell Baker* and suggest them to use
Firefox Mail brand<br>
> instead vof Thunderbird to make it great again. I'm sure
they will agree<br>
> ith you and me.<br>
> Amir.<br>
> Best wishes for you and Thunderbird <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Eyal Rozenberg <<a
href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">eyalroz@technion.ac.il</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">eyalroz@technion.ac.il</a>>>
در تاریخ جمعه ۵ آوریل ۲۰۱۹ ساعت ۱۳:۲۳<br>
> نوشت:<br>
> <br>
> If you m eant this as an April Fool's joke - you're
three days late.<br>
> <br>
> On 04/04/2019 18:49, Amir Farsi wrote:<br>
> > Hello dear Thunder Mozillians!<br>
> > As you know, People knows Firefox more than
Mozilla.<br>
> > For example, when i say to my friends i'm
contributting to<br>
> Mozilla, they<br>
> > say what is mozilla?<br>
> > When i say i'm contributting to Firefox, then
they will know it<br>
> Very Fast.<br>
> > I want suggest redbrand Thunderbird to *Firefox
Mail* in countinue of<br>
> > Firefox Products Family.<br>
> > I think redisign and redranding Thunderbird
together will increase<br>
> > chance of success of Mozilla's New Generation of
Mail Products.<br>
> > After Firefox Quantom, and Firefox VR and,...
now new generation of<br>
> > Firefox Mail can make a bomb like next
generation of Firefox(I mean<br>
> > Firefox Quatom).<br>
> > You can see Opera branded their email client as
*Opera Mail* not other<br>
> > thing.<br>
> > Please compare how many People know what is
Opera Mail and How many<br>
> > pople know about Thundrbird.<br>
> > I think one of important factoras in currrent
status of<br>
> Thunderbird, is<br>
> > bad Branding. However Mozilla refused use of
other names for other<br>
> > products even new password manager, Firefox
Lockbox.<br>
> > Please share your opinion about it...<br>
> > Best.<br>
> > Amir<br>
> > <a
href="https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/amir.farsi/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/amir.farsi/</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > tb-planning mailing list<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tb-planning@mozilla.org</a>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tb-planning@mozilla.org</a>><br>
> > <a
href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
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