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<p>Dear Eyal,</p>
<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">* No ads at all during routine use of the extension.
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<p>again, fine line here. You will have to very carefully define
what you mean by "ads", and <i>routine use </i>is difficult to
pin down in a definition. But I get what you mean, it's "core
functionality".<br>
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<p>I am allowing use of premium functions in standard versions,
but they do create a <i>sliding notification</i> (this is
premium feature, if you want to use it permanently please
consider buying a pro license [link]). It is a very valuable
tool as the of function used is put into the referrer to the
shop so I can find out which of the pro features are valuable to
users and I can add more development time to improve them.
Sliding notifications will not stop the workflow, but <i>might
</i>be considered as intrusive by some users.</p>
<p>Personally I prefer this over completely hiding / taking away
premium features from "free as in beer" users, but some may
prefer not having these functions and never seeing a
notification on (hey there's a paid version). Again, it's a
compromise between being "liked" and being able to put bread on
the table.</p>
<p>Axel<br>
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background-color:rgba(220,220,240,0.4); border-radius:3px;"> <b>Subject:</b>Re:
Thunderbird Add-on Review Policy Discussions<br>
<b>From:</b>Eyal Rozenberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il"><eyalroz@technion.ac.il></a><br>
<b>To:</b>Thunderbird Planning (Moderated); Axel Grude <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 19:20:52 19:20 GMT DT
+0100 [Week 34]<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I was thinking about ads for other things / other parties, not a premium
version of the extension; , for which I would feel more tolerant as a user.
So how about something like:
* No ads at all during routine use of the extension.
* No periodic initiation of ad display by the extension (e.g. no pop-ups).
* The only kinds of ads allowed are solicitations to: Pay authors for
work on extension; pay a third party (e.g. a charity) in appreciation
for work on extension; purchase/license a premium version of the same
extension; purchase/license another extension by the same authors
offering closely-related functionality; visit an author's non-ATN web
page (where author can advertise whatever they want to).
* ads may be displayed when the extension is updated; in
settings/preferences dialogs; or when user tries to use a feature not
enabled in current variant of the ad.
* Ads may not involve any animation.
* Ads must be clearly associated with the extension visually, e.g. in a
part of a dialog obviously relating to the extension only - so that it
is not perceived as put forward by Thunderbird itself or by other
extensions.
On 21/08/18 15:10, Axel Grude wrote:
> As regards the screenshot, (I have used F-droid myself) I can't help but
> wonder about the term "non-free". Do they mean beer (money) or freedom
> (open source)?
>
>>> * Ban extensions with monetization mechanisms beyond say, a "pay me"
>>> link in the about or preferences dialogs. <...snip>
>> I disagree here. But such things should be clearly marked on ATN page,
>> in a way that users can see clearly.
> Same here on overly harsh restriction of monetization. I am not saying
> no change though, but let's discuss this carefully. I for one am opposed
> to any form of data mining in an Email desktop client (because avoiding
> data mining is one of the key reasons for keeping emails stored
> locally), but other forms of monetisation (even advertisements, as much
> as I hate this form) should still be allowed under the allowed "opt-in"
> features.
>
> Full disclosure: I sell annual licenses for premium versions of my
> Add-ons and this is advertised whenever the Add-ons are updated. As I am
> aware that too much advertisement has the opposite effect and may even
> cause users to uninstall I have pace the amount of that myself. I also
> give the option of turning off these. I also have "donate" buttons in my
> options dialogs.
>
> thanks,
> Axel
>
> *Axel Grude <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:axel.grude@gmail.com"><mailto:axel.grude@gmail.com></a>*
> Music Production and Composition
> Thunderbird Add-ons Developer (QuickFolders
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> quickFilters
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/"><https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/></a>,
> QuickPasswords
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/quickpasswords/"><https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/quickpasswords/></a>, Zombie Keys
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/zombie-keys/"><https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/zombie-keys/></a>,
> SmartTemplate4
> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/smarttemplate4/"><https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/smarttemplate4/></a>)
> Visit my YouTube Channel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://www.youtube.com/c/thunderbirddaily"><https://www.youtube.com/c/thunderbirddaily></a>
> for email productivity tips Get Thunderbird!
>> *Subject:*Re: Thunderbird Add-on Review Policy Discussions
>> *From:*Ben Bucksch <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ben.bucksch@beonex.com"><ben.bucksch@beonex.com></a>
>> *To:*Tb-planning
>> *Sent: *Monday, 20 August 2018, 19:19:37 19:19 GMT DT +0100 [Week 34]
>> Eyal Rozenberg schrieb am 20.08.2018 um 18:40:
>>> * Ban extensions with monetization mechanisms beyond say, a "pay me"
>>> link in the about or preferences dialogs. Specifically, no use of
>>> personal data collection for monetization, and no ads. To clarify - I'm
>>> suggesting a ban from inclusion on ATN, not a ban preventing the
>>> installation of such extensions.
>>
>> I disagree here. But such things should be clearly marked on ATN page,
>> in a way that users can see clearly.
>> Compare the warning on the right of
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screenshot_2014-07-21-10-40-44.jpg">https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screenshot_2014-07-21-10-40-44.jpg</a>
>>
>> Also compare <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Inclusion_Policy/">https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Inclusion_Policy/</a>
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