<html><head></head><body>We already have a Engineering Steering Council. Kent had posted about that. Kent's posting was not a suggestion, but a reflection of a Thunderbird Council decision to establish this.<br>
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We had also discussed the size, and had intentionally kept it small. it's not about opinions, but about steering, giving direction.<br>
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The ESC has 2 roles:<br>
* making definite decisions I controversive questions, particularly those of larger consequences. this is what you mention. these questions should be brought in front of three council by other people. it's not the council that takes initiative. i would appreciate for you to bring the color composer question on front of the council, because i have an opinion about it.<br>
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* giving direction to the project. here, the council needs to take initiative, and see the technical needs of the project in the long term future, and make that plan a reality. this has not happened, and needs to happen, yes<br>
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Ben<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 17. August 2018 15:07:04 MESZ schrieb "Jörg Knobloch" <jorgk@jorgk.com>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<pre class="k9mail">Hi all,<br><br>in July 2017 Kent James proposed to established an "Engineering Council" <br>(or it was suggested to call it Engineering Steering Committee (ESC)): <br><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2017-July/005610.html">https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/tb-planning/2017-July/005610.html</a><br><br>Personally I think, since we already have a Council, ESC is the better name.<br><br>As far as I can see, for over a year nothing has happened apart from the <br>establishment of yet another mailing list maildev@lists.thunderbird.net.<br><br>So I suggest to establish this ESC *now* and with the following members:<br><br>Philipp Kewisch, Council chairman and Calendar module owner and frequent <br>contributor<br>MakeMyDay, Calendar peer and frequent contributor<br>Geoff Lankow, Thunderbird staff, jack and master of all trades ;-)<br>Magnus Melin, Thunderbird module owner<br>Richard Marti, Theme owner and dispensable bustage fixer<br>Aceman, Thunderbird peer and frequent contributor<br>Jorg K, Thunderbird and Mailnews peer, bustage fighter<br>Patrick Cloke, IM module owner<br>Alta88, Feed peer<br>Ben Campbell, Thunderbird staff.<br><br>Let me know if I've forgotten someone.<br><br>This is basically the same list as <br><a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Core_Team,">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Core_Team,</a> but with Kent, Aleth, <br>Aryx and Tooru removed and two new arrivals added.<br><br>The ESC should also be able to *vote* on contentious bug, like some with <br>an ongoing UI discussion which are blocked by lack of consensus.<br><br>Just to make this problem very apparent, I've just closed two bugs as <br>WONTFIX, where no consensus can be reached:<br><br><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683809">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683809</a> - Quickfilter to <br>find untagged messages<br><a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690644">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690644</a> - Removal of <br>text/background colour in compose.<br><br>Maybe there are more.<br><br>Jörg.<br><br><br><hr><br>tb-planning mailing list<br>tb-planning@mozilla.org<br><a href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/tb-planning</a><br></pre></blockquote></div><br>
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