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<blockquote type="cite">however - I don't think it's a good idea
to bring up a pop-up or other content requesting money within
Thunderbird - except in a very passive and non-intrusive way
(not a "squeeze"), such as alternating inforgraphics/text
while an update is being downloaded; or an extra link when
there's a prominent button which triggers restart etc. It's
very easy to cross the fine line of becoming "nagware".
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<p>exactly - I meant keeping it as a passivee landing page but
changing the content regularly in order to get noticed. This is
not impeding the workflow but it is like have a free ad page
(similar to the start page on a browser) that can be used for
promoting donations once in a while. It could also feature
workshops / how-to videos / blog posts etc. The tgeerm "squeeze
page" may have been a bit unlucky - we should never have a modal
window impeding direct access to the Email workflow.<br>
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<p>Axel<br>
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background-color:rgba(220,220,240,0.4); border-radius:3px;"> <b>Subject:</b>Re:
Vision for Thunderbird<br>
<b>From:</b>Eyal Rozenberg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:eyalroz@technion.ac.il"><eyalroz@technion.ac.il></a><br>
<b>To:</b>Thunderbird Planning (Moderated); Axel Grude <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, 03/03/2018 00:11:50 00:11 GMT ST +0000
[Week 9]<br>
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cite="mid:5b9f1e5a-6885-7791-10dc-7932ddc5a396@technion.ac.il"
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A landing page, or a donations/support page linked from it, should
explain why we even need money at all - which would not be clear
to many. I mean, perceptually, it's a Mozilla project and Mozilla
is well-established and likely rich. We need to tell people that
Thunderbird is an avian scorned! Thrown out into the cold with
nothing but the feathers on its back etc.
<br>
<br>
As for making a content fresh - in addition to where the content
is placed, it's often useful to raise occasionally for concrete
goals (or at least with concrete foci) like a specific milestone,
feature, employee hire or even yearly maintenance of something -
than to have an outstanding and static "give us money" content.
<br>
<br>
However - I don't think it's a good idea to bring up a pop-up or
other content requesting money within Thunderbird - except in a
very passive and non-intrusive way (not a "squeeze"), such as
alternating inforgraphics/text while an update is being
downloaded; or an extra link when there's a prominent button which
triggers restart etc. It's very easy to cross the fine line of
becoming "nagware".
<br>
<br>
As for the website - I guess something like what LibreOffice has
would be reasonable, but I'll emphasize that it's more clear why
LO needs money than it is why we need money.
<br>
<br>
Eyal
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On 3/1/18 6:50 AM, Axel Grude wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" id="Cite_7203734" class=" cite">I like
these suggestions.
<br>
<br>
Another thing to consider for the default case: if we show the
same appeal to donation on the landing page it will soon not be
perceived anymore. So if it could change once in a while by
having different layout / wording / picture (?) - think of SEO
principles of content fresh - it will make a bigger impact.
<br>
<br>
Think of it as a squeeze page without stopping the user from
doing their work.
<br>
<br>
Axel
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On 1 Mar 2018 00:25, "harry" <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:harry_cube@muenchen-mail.de">harry_cube@muenchen-mail.de</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:harry_cube@muenchen-mail.de"><mailto:harry_cube@muenchen-mail.de></a>> wrote:
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 28.02.2018 um 17:40 schrieb Eyal Rozenberg:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite" id="Cite_6637189" class=" cite">
<br>
* The vast majority of Thunderbird users don't even know
that
<br>
their contribution is desirable, let alone significant.
<br>
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<br>
I have already mentioned this here before:
<br>
if Thunderbird wants to secure that donations keep coming
in, there
<br>
should definitely be taken a little effort to advertise
that TB
<br>
needs those donations.
<br>
As of now, *you can use TB for years and years, and still
not know
<br>
that a donation would be appreciated.*
<br>
<br>
I, for instance, have more often made donations to the
"Document
<br>
foundation" (LibreOffice) than I did to Thunderbird because
they
<br>
ask for donations after each update. It is easier for them,
though,
<br>
because the update can' t be done as background process, but
the
<br>
download has to be done manually, so it is easy to show the
donation
<br>
page to the user.
<br>
<br>
I have just checked, and found something that was new to me:
<br>
actually, the donation page /start page
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=de&version=52.6.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20180123185941">https://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=de&version=52.6.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20180123185941</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=de&version=52.6.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20180123185941"><https://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start?locale=de&version=52.6.0&os=WINNT&buildid=20180123185941></a><br>
*is* being displayed at each start of TB (if not unchecked
in the
<br>
settings) - but only if one uses the messagepane of TB. I
Actually,
<br>
I use only 2 panes (with the messagepane being "pushed
down"and the
<br>
content of a message not visible until opened - and I have
always
<br>
used it this way).
<br>
<br>
So, considering quite some others may use TB in the same
way, it
<br>
could be a good idea to display the donation page**after
each update
<br>
process of TB*- * in the same way as the "new version fixes"
are
<br>
being displayed as of now. That is, in a separate tab or a
separate
<br>
window. Also, this page
"live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start"><http://live.mozillamessaging.com/thunderbird/start></a>"
could need a
<br>
little overhaul - I can only speak for the German Version of
this
<br>
web page. While the page isn't really badly written, it
seems to be
<br>
a translation from the English page and doesn't really sound
<br>
inspiring to me.
<br>
<br>
I wouldn't consider this is to be too intrusive, nor think
that it
<br>
would be not well received by a significant number of users.
It
<br>
should be made very clear, though, that one won't loose any
<br>
functionality if he doesn't donate - in order to not annoy
users.
<br>
<br>
I would rather consider it a wasted chance for the future
of TB if
<br>
the donation issue wasn't given more attention.
<br>
<br>
Harry
<br>
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