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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19-Apr-17 11:21 PM, Gervase Markham
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<pre wrap="">On 19/04/17 14:38, The Wanderer wrote:
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<pre wrap="">For myself, if it's not possible to upgrade from Thunderbird to
Thunderbird++ and continue using my existing profile without data loss
(even if not all features are present yet), I would not consider
Thunderbird++ to be "viable".
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There would be precisely that - a unidirectional migration (although I'd
say even a migrator is doubtful as part of an MVP - people can just set
up their email accounts again; it's easy with the DB).
One day, using an existing profile without data loss might be possible.
But to say you couldn't try Thunderbird++ until that was possible is
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Currently I play in many release and non release versions of
Thunderbird. I do so in the knowledge that there is a slight chance
I might loose something if things go wrong, but actual mail is
unlikely except in the case of the maildir accounts. What you are
proposing is an absolute guarantee that something will go wrong. I
use POP primarily. That moves the paradigm to "not a chance" when it
comes to Thunderbird++. Am I going to go without half my profile
for a week or two while I try it out? Nope. I am going to wait
until a product arrives that at the very minimum can convert my
existing dataset into something useful in the new product. <br>
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As for Thunderbird users, not developers, they download the product
and expect it to "just get their mail and contacts" from where ever
they were in the past. In many cases they do not conceive that web
mail and a mail client are not the same thing. When the shiny tool
they downloaded does not "just work", they move to the next
download on file hippo. A few seek support, but most folks these
days simply are not that invested in their software. First sign of
trouble, dump it and try something else. <br>
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One of the greatest failures of Thunderbird is the absence of a
profile migration tool! Now you are proposing another elephant
without a trunk to drink from. Those using the product have
difficulty copying a file from their desktop to a USB drive. We
expect them to copy profiles. <br>
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<pre wrap="">The more data there is to be potentially lost without migration, and the
harder it is to avoid losing it without migration, the harder it is to
convince people to move without migration.
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Sure. But not everyone will need to migrate.</pre>
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Everyone want their contacts. Well perhaps those not on corporate
ldap server, but home users certainly want them imported from
somewhere<br>
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I want to focus on the word "Minimum" in MVP. Minimum does not mean
"works for me", it means "works for some large enough set of people that
we actually have a userbase".
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How about works only for those using IMAP and have no contacts or
mailing lists. Otherwise migration is an absolute must. That is
unless your MVP can sync their phone, that might be a winner <br>
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Anyone still using their Firefox OS phone? Think about user
acceptance there of what was an MVP<br>
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Matt<br>
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Gerv
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