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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18-Apr-17 5:39 PM, Gervase Markham
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<pre wrap="">On 18/04/17 05:53, R Kent James wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Here's my personal understanding/guess of where we are likely heading
with each of the 4 major pieces of Thunderbird. What's new here is
mostly discussing the "other" pieces beyond email, as most of the
Thunderbird++ discussion so far has implicitly focused on email. Note in
all cases, it may be possible to incorporate portions of the new work in
the existing Thunderbird, but that is not a primary goal. Retaining
existing users IS a primary goal.
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Do we have data on what proportion of existing users use Calendar? Or Chat?
Thunderbird lasted for many years without either capability. I would
strongly suggest that neither is part of a minimum viable product for
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<font face="Calibri">I strongly suggest that anyone thinking a mail
client without a calendar will fly should listen the the users a
little more. Even the cheapest phone has a calendar. The windows
10 mail app has a calendar. If you are not delivering more
features that the windows 10 mail app which is almost universally
denigrated as next to useless then you are not delivering
something useful. Even folk like doctors and dentists are now
emailing events to notify their patients of appointments. <br>
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What is the proposed selling point of Thunderbird++ on Windows
anyway? What is the killer feature that will grow our user base?<br>
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As for data, really I think we have little or no idea what our
users use, or what features they despise or want. (there is a
wealth of telemetry data, but accessing it is beyond me.) WE do
apparently have data indicating Lighting has some 5.5 million
current installs. Even before it was bundled it was the most
popular add-on by a very big margin.<br>
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<li><font face="Calibri">I can tell you is that I see a lot of
screen shots in support, and most have a menu bar. But I have
no idea if that is turned on because they are having issues or
the average user likes having a menu bar. I know I do because
it is faster that the half crippled appmenu.<br>
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<li><font face="Calibri">I do know that the app menu is far from
intuitive (what is this with hover menu's or a menu that
differs if you click the > or the text.)</font></li>
<li><font face="Calibri">I do know that for most of the last
decade users have asked for a migration process that migrates
their profile from old to new devices. They expect an export
and import option to do that with. Will Thunderbird ++ ship
with that as a minimum? perhaps as a selling point.<br>
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<li><font face="Calibri">I do see a small but continuous stream of
issues in Support with chat and News (NNTP). Mostly looking
for long standing bug fixes, given Mozilla ignored that module
as much as they could get away with. Are there 10 or 10
million users of NNTP. I have no idea. </font></li>
<li><font face="Calibri">I do think that a very significant
proportion of our users fall in the small business group. The
single user with a web site looking for automated responses to
web site emails (usable templates anyone) and people
organizing community events like club meets etc. (Mailing
lists that self audit for bad addresses) and mail merge</font></li>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Regards</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Matt</font><br>
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