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<font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Great work
with updates Philipp! I for one feel for enthusiastic when I see
Thundebird is moving in some direction.<br>
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In my opinion, from organizational point of view TB Council
should make three decisions fast (in next 30 days).<br>
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<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Gradual
rewrite or new code base?</font></font></li>
<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Forking
Mozilla Gecko as it is now (implement only patches for high
risk security bugs which affect TB) or continue as it is
now?</font></font></li>
<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Choosing
new home for TB.</font></font></li>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Those 3
questions need to be answered as soon as possible so
Thunderbird can end it's status quo.</font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> <br>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">My non
technical opinion, based solely on what's more effective, go
with rewrite and fork Gecko.<br>
It will give you more manpower to do rewrite if Gecko isn't
dragging you into mud every release cycle. :)<br>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Mihovil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">03.04.2017 u 12:25, Philipp Kewisch je
napisao/la:<br>
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id="docs-internal-guid-c0a332a8-3355-e63f-717b-e17409b23de5"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Dear
Community,</span></p>
<br>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">on
Thursday we had our second meeting with the new council. Aside
from checking in on progress from last week’s action items we
talked about the technical implementation of Thunderbird based
on Ben's proposal also to be found on tb-planning. We then
delved into thoughts on how we should handle partnerships and
briefly discussed progress on the build and release position
we plan to hire for.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">On
the topic of technical implementation there was general
agreement that by starting from scratch like Ben proposed
would allow an implementation to move faster than gradually
adapting the codebase, since there would be no legacy code to
worry about. We also agree that we need to make sure that
users still feel it is Thunderbird, which also includes the
general look. But there are also other important factors that
would justify doing a gradual migration instead of a rewrite,
and due to differing opinions we did not come to an agreement
on this topic for the moment.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Regardless
of which approach is chosen, the financial aspect must not be
forgotten. In order to support our community we will have to
hire multiple developers and with the amount of technical work
that these tasks encompass, we need a solid financial plan to
make sure we can cover the costs. We believe that donations
are only part of the picture and are looking for further
opportunities.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">We
then moved on to a discussion on how we would achieve
partnerships and what kind of partnerships make sense. To
some, partnerships are considered advertising, an area that
needs to be treated very carefully. We also need to make sure
that any partnerships we enter do not hurt our credibility and
bring a benefit to our community. In the end we decided to
table the discussion, as it will be easier to make partnership
agreements when we have a financial home.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Finally
we discussed some open questions on the build and release
engineering position. Ideally we'd like to have someone
capable of both fixing issues in the build system and release
automation, but also equipped to help us move to a new
continuous integration system (which may or may not be
Mozilla's TaskCluster system).</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">We
will meet again this week to continue the hiring discussion,
also for other roles. We will keep you updated when the
positions are finally open.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">I
hope you enjoyed today's update. As always, we are open to
your feedback. Note also there is an open thread on the
technical implementation, related feedback may be better
placed in the existing thread.</span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">--
Philipp, on behalf of the Thunderbird Council</span> <br>
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