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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Mihovil,<br>
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thank you for your input. We will decide on this as soon as
possible, but of course also value community input. I agree we
need to find a solution that does not drag us down, but we also do
not want to alienate current Thunderbird users. The new home
discussion results will be announced soon.<br>
<br>
Philipp<br>
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On 4/3/17 1:39 PM, Mihovil Stanić wrote:<br>
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<font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Great
work with updates Philipp! I for one feel for enthusiastic
when I see Thundebird is moving in some direction.<br>
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In my opinion, from organizational point of view TB Council
should make three decisions fast (in next 30 days).<br>
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<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Gradual
rewrite or new code base?</font></font></li>
<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Forking
Mozilla Gecko as it is now (implement only patches for
high risk security bugs which affect TB) or continue as it
is now?</font></font></li>
<li><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Choosing
new home for TB.</font></font></li>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Those
3 questions need to be answered as soon as possible so
Thunderbird can end it's status quo.</font></font><font
size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> <br>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">My
non technical opinion, based solely on what's more
effective, go with rewrite and fork Gecko.<br>
It will give you more manpower to do rewrite if Gecko isn't
dragging you into mud every release cycle. :)<br>
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<p><font size="-1"><font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Mihovil<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">03.04.2017 u 12:25, Philipp Kewisch
je napisao/la:<br>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Dear
Community,</span></p>
<br>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">on
Thursday we had our second meeting with the new council.
Aside from checking in on progress from last week’s action
items we talked about the technical implementation of
Thunderbird based on Ben's proposal also to be found on
tb-planning. We then delved into thoughts on how we should
handle partnerships and briefly discussed progress on the
build and release position we plan to hire for.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">On
the topic of technical implementation there was general
agreement that by starting from scratch like Ben proposed
would allow an implementation to move faster than gradually
adapting the codebase, since there would be no legacy code
to worry about. We also agree that we need to make sure that
users still feel it is Thunderbird, which also includes the
general look. But there are also other important factors
that would justify doing a gradual migration instead of a
rewrite, and due to differing opinions we did not come to an
agreement on this topic for the moment.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Regardless
of which approach is chosen, the financial aspect must not
be forgotten. In order to support our community we will have
to hire multiple developers and with the amount of technical
work that these tasks encompass, we need a solid financial
plan to make sure we can cover the costs. We believe that
donations are only part of the picture and are looking for
further opportunities.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">We
then moved on to a discussion on how we would achieve
partnerships and what kind of partnerships make sense. To
some, partnerships are considered advertising, an area that
needs to be treated very carefully. We also need to make
sure that any partnerships we enter do not hurt our
credibility and bring a benefit to our community. In the end
we decided to table the discussion, as it will be easier to
make partnership agreements when we have a financial home.</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">Finally
we discussed some open questions on the build and release
engineering position. Ideally we'd like to have someone
capable of both fixing issues in the build system and
release automation, but also equipped to help us move to a
new continuous integration system (which may or may not be
Mozilla's TaskCluster system).</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr"
style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">We
will meet again this week to continue the hiring discussion,
also for other roles. We will keep you updated when the
positions are finally open.</span></p>
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style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;">I
hope you enjoyed today's update. As always, we are open to
your feedback. Note also there is an open thread on the
technical implementation, related feedback may be better
placed in the existing thread.</span></p>
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<span
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Philipp, on behalf of the Thunderbird Council</span> <br>
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