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<p>Dear Matt,</p>
<p>I never liked the hamburger menu much for Thunderbird much -
but it saves space. I actually quite liked what Firefox did
initially with the top left icon / menu so I combined both (also
managing elevation of tabs) in a fully style-able Addon <a
href="http://quickfolders.org/menuOnTop.html">Menu On Top</a>
:<br>
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<p><img src="cid:part2.352B4316.F4D25C80@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p>(the big label and remote port number are optional, and there
are many icons to chose from) I think a choice of something like
that integrated into the title bar as alternative to the
hamburger menu would be nice...<br>
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<p>As a bonus it also adds a simplified bookmarking system for
anything relevant such as mail folders, emails, configuration
tabs etc.<br>
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<p><img src="cid:part3.5C1653A3.85AE6B87@gmail.com" alt=""></p>
<p>If I had a choice for just a single feature it would be
document link integration (like Outlook). So we could have
special folders which can point to different documents on my
hard drive and use GLODA for finding stuff. Or integrate
document links into the email tree.<br>
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<p>Axel<br>
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<div id="mySignature"> <b class="myName"><a
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Music Production and Composition <br>
Thunderbird Add-ons Developer <span class="AddonList">(<a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfolders-tabbed-folders/">QuickFolders</a>,
<a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/quickfilters/">quickFilters</a>,
<a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/quickpasswords/">QuickPasswords</a>,
<a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/zombie-keys/">Zombie
Keys</a>, <a
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/thunderbird/addon/smarttemplate4/">SmartTemplate4</a>)</span>
<br>
Mozilla Addon Reviewer<br>
Visit my <a href="https://www.youtube.com/c/thunderbirddaily">YouTube
Channel</a> for email productivity tips <img
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Outreach to end users<br>
<b>From:</b>Matt Harris <a
href="mailto:unicorn.consulting@gmail.com"><unicorn.consulting@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>To:</b>Tb-planning <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 22/03/2017 10:48:27 10:48 GMT ST
+0000 [Week 12]<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/22/17 11:15 AM, Ben Bucksch
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cite="mid:49c21080-aa7a-852b-c33f-50e63805ed7a@beonex.com">Juergen
Fenn wrote on 21.03.2017 14:45: <br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_5016686" type="cite">I think
the most important point in terms of marketing should be to <br>
reassure both corporate and end users that Thunderbird still
is alive <br>
and under active development and that it is worthwhile to
deploy it and <br>
to build your workflow on TB for the time being. <br>
<br>
The main page of mozilla.org has not been pointing to
Thunderbird for <br>
quite a while, and the announcement that Thunderbird would not
be <br>
supported by Mozilla any more is still very much around, at
least in <br>
this country. If this cannot be changed there should be a more
prominent <br>
website or starting page for Thunderbird users. <br>
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<br>
Thanks, Jürgen. This is a good point, indeed. I am too close to
the project to realize that this is the outside impression. We
need to work on this. <br>
<br>
Do you have some suggestions, other than a new website? <br>
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<br>
Bring the decision about Thunderbird's financial and spiritual
home to a conclusion. Nothing says we are going no where like
that undecided after years. That has to be an absolute priority!
Our ability to run a server farm, a forked version of AMO and to
build Thunderbird on the Mozilla platform not withstanding.
Regardless of our future home all those things will have to be
addressed. No one is going to be doing it for us.<br>
<br>
I would like to see us reaching out to our users with a path
forward, what is our plan over the next 2 years? Well it all
hinges on what our home is does it not. <br>
<br>
But here are some of the oft requested features our users appear
to expect and we do not deliver;<br>
<ul>
<li>A multi line mail list. Something like postbox, Outlook and
Mac Mail have had for a long time. </li>
<li>Import and export of the Thunderbird profile natively. (how
1985 is manual copying of files and folders to a usb drive.
These are people that compute with their fingers, and expect
wizards to hold their hands)<br>
</li>
<li>Backup/Restore of mail</li>
<li>Backup/Restore of address books</li>
<li>Native support for card dav</li>
<li>MailDir (it is almost complete but has gone no where in
years really)</li>
<li>Folder ordering (including a work / Personal delineation
that extends to the address book so auto fill only looks for
work addresses in work accounts.)<br>
</li>
</ul>
When I first lobbed into a Thunderbird support site users were
requesting all of those features. We delivered chat.<br>
<br>
Then I think we need to discuss the user interface option of no
menu. This applies to Windows only. Some say it is best to
follow what Microsoft wants. I say we should be offering our
users the choice as part of the installer. We have dumbed the
process down so far that unless you know there are menus, they
can not find them.<br>
<br>
Firefox went with the three line hamburger menu on the toolbar, we
did the same. But in all seriousness, this menu is simply
confusing even to me. To take this recent discussion on user
interface further. A regular request in support is how to add
another account to Thunderbird.<br>
<br>
So then we have to start explaining to the user to click on the
hamburger menu, then click on the > beside the words "new
message". If you click the > you get an even more confusingly
labeled menu for "existing mail account". Click that and it will
display a wizard to allow you to add your extra account. <br>
<br>
What can we do? I do not think I am alone in thinking we simply
go back to displaying the menu bar.<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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