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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font color="#6600cc">On 19/11/2016
22:49, Philipp Kewisch wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:38f60945-c83b-5559-6592-4d232ed2e62b@kewis.ch"> <font
color="#6600cc">Imagine for once that we had infinite manpower
and could make any
changes, what do you like most about the mockup?</font> </blockquote>
<p><tt>I'm just and old guy: Current TB 52/53 works for me. I like
the look, and it looks a whole lot more modern than - say - TB
24 (which I have to start from time to time).</tt></p>
<p><tt>And since we don't have infinite manpower, and never will
since all mankind is limited, I'm more in favour of fixing
*functional* issues. I'd like, for example, to be able to find
words in base64-encoded body text, just to give an example. No
fancy look can ever replace a good *functioning* program.
Anyway, that's the constant battle between me and my wife: I
want things to *work*, she wants them to *look good*.</tt></p>
<p><tt>BTW, Postbox 5 is based on which TB version exactly? Ever
since TB 38 we've made good progress in fixing some very old and
annoying bugs, so if Postbox is based on anything pre-38, to me
it would just be unusable regardless of how many fancy UI it
offers. Any Japanese using it? Until TB 45 you couldn't write
e-mail in Japanese without spurious spaces getting thrown in
here and there.</tt></p>
<p><tt>I'm with:</tt></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font color="#6600cc">On 18/11/2016
18:22, Klaus Hartnegg wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:28940815-e2cc-4d07-8605-b7c0dd4ad081@uni-freiburg.de"><font
color="#6600cc"><br>
Please don't touch the desktop. </font></blockquote>
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<font color="#6600cc">On 19/11/2016 19:17, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAGOdq5mRUrAmKyo0dT_za86qV5718H_6-BcEHpyeZFHTcVqNrg@mail.gmail.com"><font
color="#6600cc">Absent data to support sticking with a UI or
modernizing the UI you would be shooting in the dark.</font></blockquote>
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<tt>This is a very valid point. We have *no* idea how users are
using Thunderbird. We waste many resources on UI discussions and
in the end implement nothing. Most recent example: Improving the
quickfilter for tags to include untagged messages (see discussion
on tb-planning and a survey with a turnout of 16 votes). We
delivered new features in TB 45, like the Correspondents column
(which was forced upon the conservative user community) and
created an out-cry and had to back-paddle. Switching to paragraph
mode was also not well received by some. Surely Kent is right that
TB is a whole lot smaller than FF, but we should indeed be more in
touch with our user's needs. In general I have the impression that
desktop users are rather conservative, we have a lot of small
companies or research organisations using it (that's looking at
people reporting bugs), and these people are change-adverse. They
want things to work. Also, whichever feature we change, there is
someone complaining. But once again, that's just second-guessing
scattered interaction with users and no real data to confirm or
deny.<br>
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