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Thanks James for the feedback.<br>
<br>
Maybe it's my misunderstanding about your words, but wording with
'flak' etc makes me nervous. I said "should *not* be shy" which
isn't saying be aggressive. <br>
<br>
And yes, we have to find methods to make the "normal" users -- not
you and me .. the tech oriented users, but users which do minimal
changes to the initial Thunderbird layout -- aware of the need to
donate for Thunderbird. <br>
<br>
I agree with Klaus<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><i>Behind a submenu item of a disabled menu?
That's a waste of time.
</i></blockquote>
<br>
.. also agree with your argument <br>
<blockquote type="cite"><i>interrupting </i><i>someone's workflow
depending on the design</i></blockquote>
<br>
Finally we need good reminders for *all* users -- always visible,
not aggressive, non destructive, not interrupting the workflow. And
yes we will have *always* complains with the one or the other
method.<br>
<br>
So with some more courage here is my suggestion:<br>
<blockquote>1. Place a Thunderbird Donation logo on the Mail Tab
bar as we have the Lightning icons:<br>
<br>
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<td valign="top"><i><small><small>Here the TB icon needs to
be replaced by a TB/Donation icon.<br>
<br>
Tooltiptext is a must<br>
(Thanks to Mark pointing to this)</small><br>
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2. Add Donation menu items at places like Hamburger, Menu Bar
--> Tools, etc .. also it maybe hidden with normal use<br>
<br>
3. With *any* TB update open a TB Tab to show a complete Donation
Page, *not only* the Start Page. That's because the Start page
could be set to show only a few lines. That Donation page should
link also to "What's New".<br>
<br>
4. On Thunderbird web pages (e.g. What's New, Help Topics, Notes,
) add a Donation note with one or two sentences about it and link
to the Donation page (maybe the same content as above, but shown
as a new tab on the browser)<br>
<br>
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Also important: A method to unable the Donation links/pages? A
clear: NO! To repeat getting money is a question of not <i>Dying
virtuously! </i><br>
<br>
And yes, we will get complains from users about this .. that's
*always* the case .. they need to understand!<br>
<br>
Hope the council makes a clear decision, soon!<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
Guenter<br>
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On 16.05.2016 07:39, R Kent James wrote:<br>
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On 5/15/2016 9:06 AM, neandr wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:57389E8B.80009@gmx.de" type="cite">And --
not <i>Dying virtuously --</i> I would place the donation
reminder at *all* those places.</blockquote>
<br>
Anyone who thinks about it agrees with you. Yet I still warn
people that we will get flak for aggressive donations campaigns,
because it will be much easier to deal with the flak and remain
proud of our work when it is anticipated.<br>
<br>
Non-intrusive donation links at selected locations are not going
to generate flak. It is when the donation campaign is more
aggressive, potentially even interrupting someone's workflow
depending on the design, that the real complaints will begin. In
an ideal world we would never need to do that, but in an ideal
world we would have figured out ways to fund ourselves that do not
intrude.<br>
<br>
Firefox is a rare exception of being able to self-fund indirectly
through the very lucrative search business without seeming to
intrude. I have no brilliant ideas on a similarly lucrative scheme
that will work with Thunderbird, not does anyone else that I know
of.<br>
<br>
Thanks for supporting the still-future intrusive fundraising
campaign!<br>
<br>
:rkent<br>
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