<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">On Feb 25, 2016, at 8:02 PM, Joshua Cranmer š§ <<a href="mailto:pidgeot18@gmail.com" class="">pidgeot18@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 2/25/2016 9:09 AM, Patrick Brunschwig wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:93889041-8430-07de-b20c-e8da03ccc3e3@enigmail.net" type="cite" style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">On 25.02.16 14:27, Ben Bucksch wrote:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">R Kent James wrote on 24.02.2016 19:32:
</pre><blockquote type="cite" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">3) An alpha version of a PEP/Enigmail addon is available
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="" class="">Please note that the later we get involved, the less influence we can
have on the result.
If your concern is that PEP drops something on us that we can't accept,
then we better get involved earlier rather than later. As you know, cost
of change increases 10-fold each step of the way.
</pre></blockquote><pre wrap="" class="">PEP is a product by an independent organization - the Thunderbird
community by will only have limited influence on the product.</pre></blockquote><br style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">PeP was trying to ask us to integrate PeP into the product by default.</span><br style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><blockquote cite="mid:93889041-8430-07de-b20c-e8da03ccc3e3@enigmail.net" type="cite" style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><pre wrap="" class="">Therefore, the influence you are talking about will mostly target
Enigmail, not PEP. If Enigmail should become a part of Thunderbird, then
I expect this is something we will certainly need to clarify - I'm open
for such discussions.</pre></blockquote><br style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Corbel; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I actually do think Enigmail, or at least the PGP encryption/decryption mechanical parts, should be integrated (and tested) into Thunderbird, even independently of whatever happens with PEP. I was more or less holding off on discussing this until my nsMsgSend rewrite progressed to a stage where I could figure out what the successor to nsIMsgComposeSecure should look like, since the current interface is not that answer.</span></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Please allow us (Berna, Volker and Patrick) a little more time to get back to you with a concrete timeline, because once you see how Enigmail/pā”p works, most discussions will quickly cease due to the nonintrusive nature and extreme ease of use of the new plug-in. We intend to provide you with betas as soon as possible, to allow for feedback and input. I can also arrange for those who would like to venture into āhostile territoryā and receive a copy of the pā”p for Microsoft Outlook plug-in, which will be launched very shortly. pā”p for Outlook plug-in illustrates the concept of privacy by default as envisioned in Enigmail/pā”p as well. Just let me know.<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">pā”p was perturbed about the past announcements re Thunderbird and hence offered TB a reliable support system, as TB is critical to the crypto-community and furthermore TB can have an even bigger global privacy impact with Enigmail/pEp built in. Our proposition was conceived as a win-win for all the stakeholders and itās still relevant as far as we are concerned.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Warmest regards,</div><div class="">-Berna Alp</div><div class="">ā </div><div class="">Berna Alp, pā”p project<br class=""><div class=""><a href="mailto:ba@pep-project.org" class="">ba@pep-project.org</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div></div></div></body></html>