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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/02/2016 4:07 AM, Ben Bucksch
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Axel Grude wrote on 17.02.2016 01:55:<br>
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cite="mid:56C3C4E4.4010900@gmail.com" type="cite">In our Company
people often use colors for showing "quote level" (*) - you may
argue because Outlook is too stupid to show real quote levels.</blockquote>
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Exactly. Outlook cannot quote properly.<br>
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Using color for something semantically critical - as who wrote
what and what is part of the message what is not - is a really
really bad idea.<br>
<ol>
<li>red appears unreadable on my screen</li>
<li>people might be color-blind - particular red and green,
because 5% of males are red-green color blind</li>
<li>it's not machine-readable. <blockquote> or plaintext
"> " are, which allows nice recipient-side formatting,
collapsing, trimming etc.</li>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_3255916" type="cite">(*) one
person may reply (inline) in red and then the next one in green.
One may say that this is "retarded" but we should not ignore the
way the ordinary user is going to use a tool. <br>
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They do that only because Outlook gives them no other reasonable
option. It's not what the users want, but what their tool
enforces!<br>
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Do not copy Outlook. Esp. in this area. We win hands-down in this
area. I think TB quotes in our reader look lovely and clear.
***Please*** do not break or delude our excellent quoting. It's
essential, all of the above.<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_8086606" type="cite">we could
build a really cool UI and better features than Outlook if we
embraced the concept of customizable styles </blockquote>
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Personally, I struggle with all editors, including LibreWriter and
Outlook. They always seem to get it wrong by continuing a style
that I intended only for 1 word or one paragraph, sometimes just
by pasting, but it continues for the rest of the doc like that and
I have to manually change it back. Highly annoying. TB composer
does that much better.<br>
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Consider that email is something we write more quickly than
documents. The direction is rather to go even quicker, see SMS,
WhatsApp, and GMail and Apple are emulating that for email with
"quickresponse".<br>
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That's not to say our Composer was perfect. But please don't copy
the mistakes of other applications, where we are miles ahead.<br>
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The composer is terrible, users complain about it all the time. It
was ok a decade ago, but the last ten years have really put some
age on it.<br>
The users do not like it. They are particularly vociferous about
the size issue. They want numbers. Windows has numbers for font
sizes, so does everything in their experience except Thunderbird,
and they want it for their email. They do not care about standards,
HTML Vs printing or Interoperability. They do their correspondence
in XXXX font and XX size. And god help you if you tell them that
the font they have chosen is unlikely to be visible to the
recipient, let alone that the size they sat might look different as
well<br>
They want to be able to do pretty tables with pretty borders. <br>
They want to do background images.<br>
They want to paste tables and text from word and excel and have them
arrive looking like when they left the Microsoft product. (sans
table formatting anyone.)<br>
They want to specify line spacing and length. <br>
They want to set tabular tabs and even decimal tabs<br>
The want images to auto size and respect the orientation information
in the exif data. Lots of complaints about upside down images over
the years. The email looks fine on an iPhone or pad<br>
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In a nutshell they want a word processor that can turn their
creations into email.<br>
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The composer might do quotes and do them well, but we offer no
customization of that either. You have to have an add-on to change
the layout of the quoted header information to the more business
styled (outlook) four lines. While you might strongly disagree with
coloured quote levels, I like them, almost as much as I like
Thunderbird's block quoting with lines. But we offer no
customization at all, after all it is up to the user if they want
to do something stupid with the customization like white text on a
white background, or try and retrieve mail very minute.<br>
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Matt<br>
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