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Re: Example: Why I believe we need a new HTML editor<br>
<b>From: </b>Ben Bucksch<br>
<b>To:</b> Tb-planning <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, 19/02/2016 17:37:54 17:37 GMT ST +0000
[Week 7]<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Axel Grude wrote on 17.02.2016 01:55:<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_56C3C4E4_4010900_gmail_com"
cite="mid:56C3C4E4.4010900@gmail.com" type="cite">In our Company
people often use colors for showing "quote level" (*) - you may
argue because Outlook is too stupid to show real quote levels.</blockquote>
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Exactly. Outlook cannot quote properly.<br>
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Using color for something semantically critical - as who wrote
what and what is part of the message what is not - is a really
really bad idea.<br>
<ol>
<li>red appears unreadable on my screen</li>
<li>people might be color-blind - particular red and green,
because 5% of males are red-green color blind</li>
<li>it's not machine-readable. <blockquote> or plaintext
"> " are, which allows nice recipient-side formatting,
collapsing, trimming etc.</li>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_4692102" type="cite">(*) one
person may reply (inline) in red and then the next one in green.
One may say that this is "retarded" but we should not ignore the
way the ordinary user is going to use a tool. <br>
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They do that only because Outlook gives them no other reasonable
option. It's not what the users want, but what their tool
enforces!<br>
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Do not copy Outlook. Esp. in this area. We win hands-down in this
area. I think TB quotes in our reader look lovely and clear.
***Please*** do not break or delude our excellent quoting. It's
essential, all of the above.<br>
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++++1<br>
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absolutely agree. We need styles in <i>addition </i>to the toolset
we have. In Outlook I have to make a custom style to "pretend
quotation" in HTML mail. In Thunderbird we have the brilliant "Paste
as Quotation" which is probably one of the most useful tools ever.<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_56C752F2_1060101_beonex_com"
cite="mid:56C752F2.1060101@beonex.com" type="cite"> <br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_3605732" type="cite">we could
build a really cool UI and better features than Outlook if we
embraced the concept of customizable styles </blockquote>
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Personally, I struggle with all editors, including LibreWriter and
Outlook. They always seem to get it wrong by continuing a style
that I intended only for 1 word or one paragraph, sometimes just
by pasting, but it continues for the rest of the doc like that and
I have to manually change it back. </blockquote>
The thing with paragraph level styles is that they should be
perpetual.. ONce you are in a paragraph which is a certain style and
hit "Enter" this is just splitting it into 2 identically styles
paragraphs. More to the point, after headings Outlook returns to
paragraphs. Word has the concept of "next style" which means you
can pick what the "follow-on" style is (it is usually a paragraph,
which is what they call "Normal")<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_56C752F2_1060101_beonex_com"
cite="mid:56C752F2.1060101@beonex.com" type="cite">Highly
annoying. TB composer does that much better.<br>
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I am not sure what you mean, can you give an example? If I type in
red, this will be persistent in Thunderbird. What I really like
about Word is the "Format Painter" tool which allows applying a set
of styles from one passage or paragraph to another.<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_56C752F2_1060101_beonex_com"
cite="mid:56C752F2.1060101@beonex.com" type="cite"> <br>
Consider that email is something we write more quickly than
documents. The direction is rather to go even quicker, see SMS,
WhatsApp, and GMail and Apple are emulating that for email with
"quickresponse".<br>
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I think conversation view does soemthing similar; it basically gives
a dumbed down, primitive (almost text) version of the email. That's
clearly not what I would want as a default HTML editor, where I
frequently have to quote and insert screenshots and use styles for
clarification and emphasis. Those emails take longer to craft but
they are also a lot easier to read. And templates should help with
containing preconfigured styles that can be used from the dropdown.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">That's not to say our Composer was perfect.
But please don't copy the mistakes of other applications, where we
are miles ahead.<br>
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Again I absolutely agree (and said it before) that the quoting
feature is probably one of tools that makes Thunderbird emails stand
head and shoulders above the competition. I would like a dedicated
paste as quotation button to make this feature more visible.<br>
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Unfortunately quite a few users who exclusively top-post in true
"Outlook fashion" want quotes to look identical to their own text so
not everybody will appreciate the finer points of a nested
conversation.<br>
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cheers,<br>
Axel<br>
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cite="mid:56C752F2.1060101@beonex.com" type="cite"> <br>
That's not to say our Composer was perfect. But please don't copy
the mistakes of other applications, where we are miles ahead.<br>
<br>
Ben<br>
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