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Re: Example: Why I believe we need a new HTML editor<br>
<b>From: </b>Matt Harris<br>
<b>To:</b> Tb-planning <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, 20/02/2016 14:47:33 14:47 GMT ST +0000
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/02/2016 4:07 AM, Ben Bucksch
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Axel Grude wrote on 17.02.2016
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cite="mid:56C3C4E4.4010900@gmail.com" type="cite">In our
Company people often use colors for showing "quote level" (*)
- you may argue because Outlook is too stupid to show real
quote levels.</blockquote>
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Exactly. Outlook cannot quote properly.<br>
<br>
Using color for something semantically critical - as who wrote
what and what is part of the message what is not - is a really
really bad idea.<br>
<ol>
<li>red appears unreadable on my screen</li>
<li>people might be color-blind - particular red and green,
because 5% of males are red-green color blind</li>
<li>it's not machine-readable. <blockquote> or plaintext
"> " are, which allows nice recipient-side formatting,
collapsing, trimming etc.</li>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_3255916" type="cite">(*) one
person may reply (inline) in red and then the next one in
green. One may say that this is "retarded" but we should not
ignore the way the ordinary user is going to use a tool. <br>
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They do that only because Outlook gives them no other reasonable
option. It's not what the users want, but what their tool
enforces!<br>
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Do not copy Outlook. Esp. in this area. We win hands-down in
this area. I think TB quotes in our reader look lovely and
clear. ***Please*** do not break or delude our excellent
quoting. It's essential, all of the above.<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_8086606" type="cite">we could
build a really cool UI and better features than Outlook if we
embraced the concept of customizable styles </blockquote>
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Personally, I struggle with all editors, including LibreWriter
and Outlook. They always seem to get it wrong by continuing a
style that I intended only for 1 word or one paragraph,
sometimes just by pasting, but it continues for the rest of the
doc like that and I have to manually change it back. Highly
annoying. TB composer does that much better.<br>
<br>
Consider that email is something we write more quickly than
documents. The direction is rather to go even quicker, see SMS,
WhatsApp, and GMail and Apple are emulating that for email with
"quickresponse".<br>
<br>
That's not to say our Composer was perfect. But please don't
copy the mistakes of other applications, where we are miles
ahead.<br>
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The composer is terrible, users complain about it all the time.
It was ok a decade ago, but the last ten years have really put
some age on it.<br>
The users do not like it. They are particularly vociferous about
the size issue. They want numbers. Windows has numbers for font
sizes, so does everything in their experience except Thunderbird,
and they want it for their email. They do not care about
standards, HTML Vs printing or Interoperability. They do their
correspondence in XXXX font and XX size. And god help you if you
tell them that the font they have chosen is unlikely to be visible
to the recipient, let alone that the size they sat might look
different as well<br>
They want to be able to do pretty tables with pretty borders. <br>
They want to do background images.<br>
They want to paste tables and text from word and excel and have
them arrive looking like when they left the Microsoft product.
(sans table formatting anyone.)<br>
They want to specify line spacing and length. <br>
They want to set tabular tabs and even decimal tabs<br>
The want images to auto size and respect the orientation
information in the exif data. Lots of complaints about upside
down images over the years. The email looks fine on an iPhone or
pad<br>
<br>
In a nutshell they want a word processor that can turn their
creations into email.<br>
<br>
The composer might do quotes and do them well, but we offer no
customization of that either. You have to have an add-on to
change the layout of the quoted header information to the more
business styled (outlook) four lines. While you might strongly
disagree with coloured quote levels, I like them, almost as much
as I like Thunderbird's block quoting with lines. But we offer no
customization at all, after all it is up to the user if they want
to do something stupid with the customization like white text on a
white background, or try and retrieve mail very minute.<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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You can probably do pretty much anything you has described. But you
need to know HTML and CSS. And probably us the Stationery Addon in
order to edit the HTML source code (in its mostly broken HTML tab).
So in my mind adding a UI for things like colored tables, background
images. I think a built in HTML code editor (tab) would be a good
start<br>
<br>
There were some fixes around font sizes (and lengthy discussions on
it) so you might find this better once Tb45.0 lands.<br>
<br>
Clipboard cross compatibility with Microsoft Editors is a big
difficult ask, and probably not worth the effort if we had built in
table formatting.<br>
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Axel<br>
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