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<div id="smartTemplate4-template">That's a pity. I was hoping it
might be manageable - but obviously I would concede to your
greater experience there. One "functionality" piece would be nice.
Another (smaller) favorite of mine would be <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297852">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297852</a><br>
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namely possibility to combine AND / OR conditions in filters (or
my suggested <a
href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297852#c25">low
tech solution of nesting filters</a>) and building a UI for it.
Do you think that would be a good scope?<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Axel<br>
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Re: Fwd: Re: Thunderbird Project as 3rd-year Engineering Group
Project<br>
<b>From: </b>Magnus Melin<br>
<b>To:</b> Tb-planning <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, 10/02/2016 20:35:00 20:35 GMT ST
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<p>I doubt replacing the editor is a good group project. It's not
an easy task, and the work load would not appear easy to split
up. You'd have to take many many steps until you make it work at
all, and it requires a lot of familiarity with the code. <br>
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<p>Ideally it should be a lot of smaller related bugs so that you
can move forward and feel you achieve something.</p>
Maybe a group could take on dissecting the document in <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1243449">bug
1243449</a> (improving usability of encryption)?<br>
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-Magnus<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03.02.2016 11:21, Axel Grude
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<br>
Well we have been knocking about the idea of replacing the
HTML editor (which is currently the generic component from
m-c) of Thunderbird for years and it always been deferred to
some day in the future. Also there have been numerous
suggestions of integrating other existing editors. Without a
dedicated developer I am very much doubtful this is ever going
to be fixed within the scope of a bugzilla bug.<br>
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<br>
Might this be in scope for a team of five people? If you think
it is suitable, I could dig out some of the conversations and
suggestions that were made and collate them. I would also
offer to work as a design reviewer / adviser for this
particular task as I think it is very important for the future
of Thunderbird.<br>
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just an idea,<br>
Axel<br>
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Project as 3rd-year Engineering Group Project<br>
<b>From: </b>R. Kent James<br>
<b>To:</b> Tb-planning <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 02/02/2016 22:38:59 22:38 GMT ST
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<p>I've had some discussions with James Quilty about major
student engineering projects involving Thunderbird. Here is
his proposal, and he is asking for specific suggestions of
appropriate projects.</p>
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R. Kent James
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Hi Kent,<br>
<br>
Here's the proposal I made for a 3rd-year engineering group
project working on part of Thunderbird, edited for
coherence. I'd be happy for this to be forwarded to a
mailing list for wide consideration.<br>
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The <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ecs.victoria.ac.nz/">School of Engineering
and Computer Science</a> at Victoria University of
Wellington runs group projects as part of its project
management course. The School has students from three
specialisations, Electronics and Computer Engineering
(ECEN), Software Engineering (SWEN) and Network Engineering
(NWEN). I'm running these courses from this year.<br>
<br>
I'm looking for suitable projects for a team of 4-6
students which could run across our academic year
(March-October) with a workload of about 5 hours per week
for a total of around 150 hours. Both figures are per
student. The purpose of the project is to give the students
practical experience in applying the project management
tools they are learning about in<br>
lectures. An achievable but challenging project for SWEN
(and NWEN) students would be really good - this is where I
thought a Thunderbird project might be appropriate.<br>
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<div class="moz-text-html" lang="x-unicode"> To give you an
idea of what students have been able to produce last year
in a half-year project, please see the <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://wainz.org.nz/">WaiNZ</a>
homepage. The map UI and the Android, iPhone and Windows
Phone apps were all produced or refined in a half-year
project. I'd like something with similar scope for 2016,
just run across the full year. If you want to know what
kind of background the students have by 3rd year, please
see the SWEN and NWEN course descriptions on the School's
homepage. One relevant course SWEN students may take in
3rd year, for example, is a course in UI engineering.<br>
<br>
Any project for the students would have to be "SMART":<br>
<ul>
<li>Have goal or end-point that can be specified and
refined through student discussion with the client.
For example, a project involving the completion of a
coherent set of bug-fixes and/or enhancements. </li>
<li>Produce measurable/testable effect - something that
can be observed in Thunderbird.<br>
</li>
<li>Be reasonably achievable in about 150 hours per
student (about 900 hours for a team of six students).</li>
<li>Delivered by/at the end of a single academic year.<br>
</li>
</ul>
What I have in mind when I write "coherent" is bugs or
enhancements all related to, say, one component of
Thunderbird. It shouldn't be a grab-bag of miscellaneous
work, nor a year experiencing "business as usual" in
Thunderbird development.<br>
<br>
An example, (somewhat trivial and completely focussed on
my own niggles with Thunderbird) would be a project to
complete a set of bugfixes and enhancements to the
Attachment pane UI for incorporation in an upcoming
release. There are a set of bugs and RFE's already filed,
and it's a reasonably self-contained part of the UI.<br>
<br>
It's not important for the students to write new code for
brand-new functionality. Some code maintenance and
migration is perfectly fine, even a desirable experience,
but I do think it's important that their projects are not
dominated by migration or bugfix work. If it were, then I
fear there could be limited opportunity for them to
practice project management and/or they will lose
interest.<br>
<br>
Other projects up for offer in 2016, to give two examples
for context, will be (1) making a DIY laser cutter with a
usable software and network interfaces, and (2) making a
3-in-1 oscilloscope, function generator and digital
multimeter with undergraduate-friendly UI for use in our
teaching labs.<br>
<br>
What I am asking from you for a Thunderbird project is
for a useful project of about the right scope and
difficulty to be identified, for a 1-page high-level spec
to be prepared before 29 February (NZ time!) and for
someone to commit to being acting as the client for the
project over the year. I'd anticipate a time requirement
of 1-2 hours per week over the course of the project to
interact with the project team to answer the usual
questions clients are asked (usually clarifying what the
client actually wants).<br>
<br>
One thing the School does advise external clients for
these sorts of undergraduate projects is to not rely on
the student team to produce a 100% functional working
result, and to not entrust them with a project which is
mission-critical. That's not to say that we haven't had
some very successful projects in the past.<br>
<br>
I'd love to hear ideas that people involved with
Thunderbird development would have after considering what
I've written above and I'd really like to have a
Thunderbird project as part of our group project work this
year!<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
James.<br>
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Dr. James Quilty
Senior Lecturer
School of Engineering and Computer Science,
Victoria University of Wellington,
P.O. Box 600,
Wellington 6140,
New Zealand.
Phone: +64 4 463 5233 ext. 4090
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