<div dir="ltr">Wolfgang,<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wr@opensuse.org" target="_blank">wr@opensuse.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
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Am 14.07.2015 um 12:32 schrieb Benjamin Kerensa:<br>
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> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Axel Grude <<a href="mailto:axel.grude@gmail.com">axel.grude@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><span class="">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:axel.grude@gmail.com">axel.grude@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> I think what I am trying to say is that it is hard to believe that a<br>
> software that has 25 million regular users cannot even charge everybody a<br>
> pittance in order to make the software better and yet everybody uses it<br>
> daily and is moaning and groaning about all the bugs that need to be fixed.<br>
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> Welcome to Free Software ;)<br>
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</span>Indeed.<br>
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> The problem is, as soon as you make exchanging any money completely<br>
> voluntary, the participation drops by 99.95%<br>
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> I don't know think that is true Mozilla has always accepted donations since the<br>
> early days and when that started participation only blossomed. The thing I would<br>
> say is once you start getting money you better deliver what the users want not<br>
> what you think the users want otherwise not only will the be upset about bugs<br>
> but they will be upset you didn't add features they wanted.<br>
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> This is the slippery slope with money and free software.<br>
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</span>Voluntarily might drop indeed.<br>
A move to a different license model and enforced "license fees" will also drop<br>
the userbase significantly. I would be on it. While it doesn't look like a big<br>
amount of money we are talking about a change to the principles of what TB was<br>
about before.<br>
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> I want an excellent, future proof, well known product for the benefit of all<br>
> who need desktop mail and not yet another free mail client that will go into<br>
> oblivion because, "gmail is free and easier". Let's address the Elephant :)<br>
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> People are not moving to Gmail because it is free and easier they are moving to<br>
> it because mobile which is why Firefox is so focused on mobile.... Unless<br>
> Thunderbird comes up with a mobile client I think at some point usage will see a<br>
> decline. One of Thunderbird's likely largest user bases is Linux and I can tell<br>
> you there are a few major distros with millions of users considering other mail<br>
> clients.<br>
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</span>It's not about considering. Depending on how the TB community wants to enforce<br>
getting the money. Thunderbird will immediately disappear from every Linux<br>
distribution by definition. Especially Linux users would basically switch<br>
immediately. Windows users might stick to TB still.<br>
My personal guess is that it'll likely kill Thunderbird long term when going to<br>
enforced payments or at least put it into a niche together with Postbox (while I<br>
have no idea about their usage numbers).</blockquote><div><br>So I do know if you follow Ubuntu Convergence but in a nutshell Ubuntu has been</div><div>planning to merge desktop and mobile. In this case apps that are not great on</div><div>mobile will likely not survive as default apps.<br><br>Currently Thunderbird and Firefox are both default on Ubuntu which has millions</div><div>of users but this will *likely* change because neither is ported to Ubuntu Phone</div><div>and they have already created good replacements (their own browser and mail client)<br>both work on phone and desktop.<br><br>Money and licensing aside this will *likely* impact Thunderbird's user base<br>significantly.<br><br>As for other distros I'm sure you know of Geary backed by Gnome and Yorba<br>which is surely to be the new default on some Gnome based distros soon<br>enough.</div></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Benjamin Kerensa<br><br></div></div></div>
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