<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 1:45 PM, R Kent James <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kent@caspia.com" target="_blank">kent@caspia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 7/13/2015 1:24 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:<br>
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General you need a member of the organization leadership to reside in those countries or some operations physically there.<br>
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Since TB doesn't have an office and at least the suggested idea after summit was regular elections it seems like this would not work very well in Thunderbird's case.<br>
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That is not the question I am asking.</blockquote><div><br>Fair Enough<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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Anyways there really is no issue with nonprofits in the U.S. unless you run a poorly managed nonprofit.<br>
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I suggest that you do some research before you make such a broad statement. The negative view of the US IRS toward 501c status for open source software projects is a very hot topic in the open source community at the moment, with many people seeking solutions.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>It was a hot topic because for a period of time the IRS was heavily scrutinizing certain keywords when doing 501(c)3 audits but that scrutiny has evaporated since congress put the IRS on public trial. I sit on two 501(c)3 non-profit boards myself and have a number of friends who sit on major Open Source non-profit boards (Including one you plan on meeting with). This was not just Open Source but also Tea Party based orgs were scrutinized and that stopped too. Either way whenever they did keyword based audits no non-profits that were following the law had anything to worry about. Whenever you form an organization you should always be prepared for an audit and if you are not and not following rules? Well you shouldn't be running a non-profit. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><br>
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Has TB Council even approached Mozilla legal to ask:<br>
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A) whether formation of a nonprofit using the Thunderbird wordmark would be allowed?<br>
B) whether Mozilla is OK letting community form a separate entity and licensing the TB IP to that organization?<br>
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I don't want to waste Mozilla legal's time with answering questions about directions that we choose not to pursue, hence I am doing my homework first. We are being very transparent about the questions that we are asking, and I believe it is well-know within Mozilla that we are asking these questions.<br>
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As for you specific questions, my understanding Mozilla would be very open to transferring Thunderbird to another US 501c3 organization, and the hints I have gotten is that they would even prefer that. Any other kind of organization is very problematic. It is currently my duty to try to understand what is in the best interest of Thunderbird stakeholders so that we can ask for the correct thing. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place, with the laws making it hard for us to be anything but a 501c3, while at the same time making it all but impossible to actually be a 501c3.<br>
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I would prefer we end this discussion here, and that this thread be devoted to the specific question of attitudes toward offshore entities.</blockquote><div><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div></div></div>
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