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Am 11/08/2014 um 20:42 schrieb Kent James:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:53E91CA1.20001@caspia.com" type="cite">On
8/11/2014 12:02 PM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Kent
James <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kent@caspia.com"><kent@caspia.com></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Thunderbird usage is growing, we have a
strong core team, and expect to
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remain relevant to the internet for the foreseeable future.
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Do we have metrics to show that it is growing? Data from the
Metrics
<br>
Team perhaps?
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<rant>I have been trying for 2 years to get permission to
publish the available data on Thunderbird usage without success.
Yes we have data, yes Thunderbird usage is growing, but these
numbers are only available to staff, and when shared with me
privately they are always stated as unshareable except in broad
statements. Nobody seems to be able to figure out who has
permission to release these numbers publicly. </rant>
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Ok, this one I really don't understand. What's the point in an open
source product when you can't share usage data?<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:53E91CA1.20001@caspia.com" type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite">How We Get There
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Three full-time developers are needed to ensure a stable core
base, and
<br>
allow forward progress on the minimum feature set expected of
us.
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We cannot reasonably expect Firefox and MoCo to subsidize our
operations, so
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we need to raise income independently, through donations
directly from our
<br>
users.
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How do we accomplish this? I do not see Mozilla allowing a third
party
<br>
to raise money on Mozilla Thunderbird's behalf and for that
money to
<br>
be kept by a separate entity. I think we need to figure out how
to
<br>
work with Mozilla to sort out access to Thunderbird's revenue
and have
<br>
a SOP around requesting funds. I do not think TB has ever
generated
<br>
enough revenue to even hire a part-time developer.<br>
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Perhaps it was not clear from my post, but the current structure
that I am proposing is that Thunderbird continue to be under the
Mozilla umbrella, but with governance that is community-based
rather than staff-based. "I think we need to figure out how to
<br>
work with Mozilla to sort out access to Thunderbird's revenue and
have a SOP around requesting funds" is exactly the next step. I am
determined though to try to get that SOP ("Standard Operating
Procedure") to rely on a community-based management structure,
though the community itself needs to be better organized before we
need to be talking SOP with Mozilla. There is no proposal on the
table for a third party to raise money. Donations raised through
the in-product promotion would presumably be run through MoFo, and
managed by a community-based governance structure.
"Community-based governance structure" does not mean third-party,
it means a more formal structure within the Mozilla umbrella that
empowers rather than dis-empowers the community.
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+1<br>
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