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On 28/04/2014 16:16, Ben Bucksch wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:535E70B3.7040101@beonex.com" type="cite">Gervase
Markham wrote, On 28.04.2014 16:58:
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<blockquote type="cite">But the sort of questions I would want to
find answers to are:
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* What does Google hope to gain by making this change? Is it an
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anti-spam/anti-fraud measure?
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1. They block login attempts from a new country. Presumably that's
anti-account-theft.
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2. When that triggers, they demand a working phone number, where
they send an activation code. Strangely, that can be any phone
number. They pretend that's for "security", but the "nice" side
effect for them is that using a phone number, they can link the
account to a real life identity. Given that they also link the
account to all searches I make on Google, that's a privacy
invasion for me. But for Google, that means $$.
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3. Long-term, their goal is to move everything (Internet and
offline) to the web, and to their servers. They want to kill MS
Office, email, phone etc., moving it to gmail, google cloud etc.
They are not doing all this for fun, after all.
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<blockquote type="cite">* Can the additional data about logins
that Google hopes to obtain be
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obtained in other ways for IMAP?
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You can't ask for a phone number via IMAP. But I reject that
premise and interest.
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If a suspicious login attempt shows up via IMAP or SMTP, they can
return an error (in IMAP/SMTP) *with* an error message that
mentions reason and remedy, e.g.
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"You are logging in from a new country. Please log in via
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.gmail.com">https://www.gmail.com</a> first and approve this connection."
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This is (more or less) how some German freemail ISPs do it.
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This is a manual hand-over, but a) would happen only in really
problematic cases b) give them the same possibilities as now.
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don't they already do something like this (I think you have to
enable IMAP access through their web site first). The bigger issue
would be if that would have to be done on every session (?)<br>
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