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Hi Onno,<br>
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(my mails still go through moderation so I am cc'ing everybody on
the thread for speed, hope this is ok)<br>
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I think both had a good ingredient but lacking another<br>
<br>
1 - Geary probably had some good community support. But donations
were not mandatory (or it didn't succeed in persuading enough users
to donate)<br>
2 - Postbox made the money part mandatory, but doesn't have a great
community or even product support. Their model is "we do not invest
anything in the community or support - just use the forum if you
need it". Plus they kind of stopped development and stopped talking
to Addon authors about a year ago; which makes it feel like a dead
project.<br>
<br>
I think Thunderbird has both critical mass enough to get more
donations and still more momentum than Postbox. The art is to
persuade users that there will be innovation following the
investment. I think we definitely definetly need some marketing
people to help us out here!<br>
<br>
Axel<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposal for donation link in Thunderbird 31
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<b>From:</b> Onno Ekker <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:o.e.ekker@gmail.com"><o.e.ekker@gmail.com></a> - Onno Ekker
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Proposal for donation link in Thunderbird 31
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<div>Hi all,<br>
<br>
I would also be happy to donate and I think that many users
would be too. In fact, I believe that Thunderbird will just
slowly disappear without income that would allow important
developments (make maildir the default, new address book,
compose in a tab,...).<br>
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We should also keep in mind the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blog.yorba.org/jim/2013/05/geary-crowdfunding-what-went-wrong.html">Geary
experience (and why they fails)</a>. I think Thunderbird can
success where Geary fails, because it is a lot more famous
that Geary.<br>
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I hadn't heard of Geary, but I've heard of Postbox which isn't a
big succes and I've heard of Pegasus, which has been my favorite
email client for a long time (when my email was still stored on a
Novell Netware server), but which also had problems raising enough
funds even for one developer. (Pegasus tried it by selling
manuals, if i remember correctly).<br>
<br>
Only when you can make the donations repeating/annual I think you
may have a way to raise a substantial amount of money. But it
should be crystal clear to the contributors what happens with
their money...<br>
<br>
Onno<br>
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