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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think having a not-Mozilla
organization dedicated to enhancing Mozilla Thunderbird could work
out well. They wouldn't be responsible for releasing it, but I
see no problem with them (say) charging money to support it in
enterprises. (Or, maybe we could look into a model like the
"Microsoft Solution Providers", where other people build
businesses around the Thunderbird codebase?)<br>
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Later,<br>
Blake.<br>
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On 13-11-12 6:21 , Jb Piacentino wrote:<br>
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Kent,<br>
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"We need a not-Mozilla organization"... but you still want to be
able to enjoy the 'Mozilla Thunderbird' brand? Can you please
explain how you see this happening?<br>
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Jb<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/12 18:28, Kent James wrote:<br>
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On 11/12/2012 2:35 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:50A0D0D8.2000607@mozilla.org" type="cite">I
don't want to be misunderstood; I was saying that if an
organization wants to go out and <b class="moz-txt-star"><span
class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>raise funds for employing
people<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> to develop the
codebase, I think it would need to be not-Mozilla. But then I
point out that Postbox tried something like this, and don't
seem to have done all that well. So I wonder whether it would
work. <br>
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However, I'm not saying that I'm in favour of moving
Thunderbird the product and brand out from the Mozilla
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Note that I used the phrase "future Mozilla-based communications
client" and not "Thunderbird".<br>
<br>
I've pretty much accepted that Mozilla for the foreseeable
future is not going to participate in any activity where Mozilla
is managing activities to pay for future innovation in a
communications client based on the Thunderbird code.<br>
<br>
If that is the practical reality, then the best thing that you
could do would be to continue to confirm that position. The
worst thing that Mozilla could do would be to encourage
continued discussion under the "Mozilla umbrella" about the
issue, thus sucking strength away from the not-Mozilla entity
without really providing a valid outlet for real discussions
that have a chance of changing something. (This is not an
accusation that you have done such a thing, only an
encouragement to be clear about what Mozilla is *not* going to
do, so that others would have the freedom to do it.)<br>
<br>
So when Vincent writes "about monetization, just wanted to
highlight the fact that, in my opinion, there is still a lot to
do" you would say "fine, but that is out of scope for Mozilla,
please discuss this with the not-Mozilla entity".<br>
<br>
Unless I hear a strong statement otherwise, I am going to
consider Standard8's "Therefore, paid-for development should not
be considered" and your "efforts surrounding Thunderbird which
generate income ... will need to be organizationally independent
of Mozilla-the-organization " as definitive. We need a
not-Mozilla organization.<br>
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:rkent<br>
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