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Ok. This I understand and agree with.<br>
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Jb<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/11/12 15:13, Blake Winton wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I think having a not-Mozilla
organization dedicated to enhancing Mozilla Thunderbird could
work out well. They wouldn't be responsible for releasing it,
but I see no problem with them (say) charging money to support
it in enterprises. (Or, maybe we could look into a model like
the "Microsoft Solution Providers", where other people build
businesses around the Thunderbird codebase?)<br>
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Later,<br>
Blake.<br>
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On 13-11-12 6:21 , Jb Piacentino wrote:<br>
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Kent,<br>
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"We need a not-Mozilla organization"... but you still want to be
able to enjoy the 'Mozilla Thunderbird' brand? Can you please
explain how you see this happening?<br>
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Jb<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/12 18:28, Kent James
wrote:<br>
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On 11/12/2012 2:35 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:<br>
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type="cite">I don't want to be misunderstood; I was saying
that if an organization wants to go out and <b
class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>raise
funds for employing people<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b>
to develop the codebase, I think it would need to be
not-Mozilla. But then I point out that Postbox tried
something like this, and don't seem to have done all that
well. So I wonder whether it would work. <br>
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However, I'm not saying that I'm in favour of moving
Thunderbird the product and brand out from the Mozilla
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Note that I used the phrase "future Mozilla-based
communications client" and not "Thunderbird".<br>
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I've pretty much accepted that Mozilla for the foreseeable
future is not going to participate in any activity where
Mozilla is managing activities to pay for future innovation in
a communications client based on the Thunderbird code.<br>
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If that is the practical reality, then the best thing that you
could do would be to continue to confirm that position. The
worst thing that Mozilla could do would be to encourage
continued discussion under the "Mozilla umbrella" about the
issue, thus sucking strength away from the not-Mozilla entity
without really providing a valid outlet for real discussions
that have a chance of changing something. (This is not an
accusation that you have done such a thing, only an
encouragement to be clear about what Mozilla is *not* going to
do, so that others would have the freedom to do it.)<br>
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So when Vincent writes "about monetization, just wanted to
highlight the fact that, in my opinion, there is still a lot
to do" you would say "fine, but that is out of scope for
Mozilla, please discuss this with the not-Mozilla entity".<br>
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Unless I hear a strong statement otherwise, I am going to
consider Standard8's "Therefore, paid-for development should
not be considered" and your "efforts surrounding Thunderbird
which generate income ... will need to be organizationally
independent of Mozilla-the-organization " as definitive. We
need a not-Mozilla organization.<br>
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:rkent<br>
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