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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">One way to 'solve' this is to not do
the titlebar/menubar overlap in non-standard window themes (such
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I like the new term you coined; Windows for blondes :)<br>
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Do you this is something I could implementing through an extension
(or userChrome.css rules)? That would be a sufficient workaround for
Windowblinds users.<br>
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that makes this possible.<br>
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After skimming over the mdn article, do you mean this one:<br>
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<h2 id="-moz-windows-theme">-moz-windows-theme</h2>
indicates which Windows theme is currently being used. Only
available on Windows. Possible values are:
<ul>
<li><code>aero</code></li>
<li><code>luna-blue</code></li>
<li><code>luna-olive</code></li>
<li><code>luna-silver</code></li>
<li><code>royale</code></li>
<li><code>generic</code></li>
<li><code>zune</code></li>
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and<br>
<h2 id="-moz-windows-default-theme">-moz-windows-default-theme</h2>
so basically it could be dependent on -moz-windows-default-theme
being 0? I would be interested to write some test code for this at
the weekend and if you like to help me, send you a test version to
see how it behaves in Windows 7<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
Axel<br>
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Hi Alfred,<br>
<br>
if it is okay with you <font color="#663366"><u><i>I am cc-ing
the Thunderbird planning list</i></u></font>, as this is
an interesting edge case in innovation, which might give me some
idea on how to get THunderbird (and Firefox) to behave more in
line with other applications in Windows XP. As you know I am
normally not using the Luna style of Windows XP but instead I am
using Stardock's Windowblinds engine, which paints over all
widgets and title bars / window frames, to add such niceties as
<br>
<ul>
<li>complete user defined styles (Mac OS under windows or
linux styles are no problem)</li>
<li>per pixel coloring</li>
<li>transparency</li>
<li>shadows</li>
<li>the largest collection of user style for any operating
system</li>
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<p>What I would like to point out to the tb-planning list is
that the latest changes in Thunderbird 17 (and the following
versions) which are also in line with the changes around
Australis for Firefox (moving up the menu to overlap into the
caption bar) present some problems for Software that takes
over skinning the windows (especially the title bar).<br>
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<p>Your solution of underpinning the menu with a bright area
works lovely for all stock color flavors of XP Luna (blue,
silver and olive) so you have solved that one problem, with
your latest update of :<br>
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<div>Could you try if this works?<br>
If it works ok, I can then also update the
Little/MicroBird themes in the same way.<br>
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Yes, this is perfect on Windows XP (TB17):<br>
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It also still looks <font color="#663366"><i>spiffing gorgeous
</i></font>on my Windowblinds with Thunderbird <i><b>16 </b></i>(remember
that Windowblinds painst over the title-bar):<br>
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Of course, with <b><font color="#663366"><i>Thunderbird 17</i></font></b>,
I will eventually have the following problem on my production
windows system:<br>
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Stock theme:<br>
<br>
Nautipolis 2.0.8:<br>
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Here, with Menu bar visible, the menu is completely obscured by
the title bar ( I know this can be viewed as a bug by
Windowblinds, but on the other hand it makes my Windows
experience so much more cohesive)<br>
<br>
Interestingly, when I task switch away and then back to
THunderbird I am getting this effect (which is quite a good
compromise as it leaves the skinning of the caption bar
background intact, but replaces the windows max / minimize /
restore widgets):<br>
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... which is probably closer to the effect that you would have
on Windows XP with Luna (Vanilla). The bige question is, is
there anything that we can do (maybe with a CSS rule?) to "force
the caption bar widgets into the foreground"? Or failing this,
is there something I can do (maybe by adding a box overlay) to
push the menu down to its original position again so that
Thunderbird behaves more in line with all my other XP
applications? This would be an interesting question...<br>
<br>
Ideally I would like to come up with an additional extension
that could<br>
<ul>
<li>hide the minimize / maximize / close widgets for Firefox /
Thunderbird, so the user can choose to keep the ones painted
by the OS / skinning engine</li>
<li>either - move down the menu so it is in its original
position<br>
or - force the menu items "into the foreground" (which is
probably the more difficult solution as some of the Z-Order
from skinning engines might be out of our control)<br>
</li>
</ul>
One thing I would like the Thunderbird crew to think about is
that "painting into the titlebar" is not necessarily something
we should take for granted, at least in the standard paradigm,
any painting should be done in the client area. So IMHO skinning
the whole application should ideally be configurable / optional
from within the xul applications, ideally with a global <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="about:config">about:config</a> switch.<br>
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thanks<br>
Axel<br>
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for the quick reviews!<br>
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Could you send me a screenshot of the problem?<br>
I am not able to reproduce it in Windows 7 using the
Windows Classic theme (which should have the same
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