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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">One way to 'solve' this is to not do
the titlebar/menubar overlap in non-standard window themes (such
as windowblonds).<br>
There is a css media-query thing that makes this possible.<br>
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Axel wrote:<br>
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Hi Alfred,<br>
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if it is okay with you <font color="#663366"><u><i>I am cc-ing
the Thunderbird planning list</i></u></font>, as this is an
interesting edge case in innovation, which might give me some idea
on how to get THunderbird (and Firefox) to behave more in line
with other applications in Windows XP. As you know I am normally
not using the Luna style of Windows XP but instead I am using
Stardock's Windowblinds engine, which paints over all widgets and
title bars / window frames, to add such niceties as <br>
<ul>
<li>complete user defined styles (Mac OS under windows or linux
styles are no problem)</li>
<li>per pixel coloring</li>
<li>transparency</li>
<li>shadows</li>
<li>the largest collection of user style for any operating
system</li>
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<p>What I would like to point out to the tb-planning list is that
the latest changes in Thunderbird 17 (and the following
versions) which are also in line with the changes around
Australis for Firefox (moving up the menu to overlap into the
caption bar) present some problems for Software that takes over
skinning the windows (especially the title bar).<br>
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<p>Your solution of underpinning the menu with a bright area works
lovely for all stock color flavors of XP Luna (blue, silver and
olive) so you have solved that one problem, with your latest
update of :<br>
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<div>Could you try if this works?<br>
If it works ok, I can then also update the Little/MicroBird
themes in the same way.<br>
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Yes, this is perfect on Windows XP (TB17):<br>
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<img src="cid:part1.03030805.04000405@gmail.com" alt=""><br>
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It also still looks <font color="#663366"><i>spiffing gorgeous </i></font>on
my Windowblinds with Thunderbird <i><b>16 </b></i>(remember that
Windowblinds painst over the title-bar):<br>
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<img src="cid:part2.03030106.09010704@gmail.com" alt=""><br>
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Of course, with <b><font color="#663366"><i>Thunderbird 17</i></font></b>,
I will eventually have the following problem on my production
windows system:<br>
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Stock theme:<br>
<img src="cid:part3.03090902.05090409@gmail.com" alt=""><br>
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Nautipolis 2.0.8:<br>
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Here, with Menu bar visible, the menu is completely obscured by
the title bar ( I know this can be viewed as a bug by
Windowblinds, but on the other hand it makes my Windows experience
so much more cohesive)<br>
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<img src="cid:part4.07060805.08000505@gmail.com" alt=""><br>
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Interestingly, when I task switch away and then back to
THunderbird I am getting this effect (which is quite a good
compromise as it leaves the skinning of the caption bar background
intact, but replaces the windows max / minimize / restore
widgets):<br>
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<img src="cid:part5.06060702.06020704@gmail.com" alt=""><br>
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... which is probably closer to the effect that you would have on
Windows XP with Luna (Vanilla). The bige question is, is there
anything that we can do (maybe with a CSS rule?) to "force the
caption bar widgets into the foreground"? Or failing this, is
there something I can do (maybe by adding a box overlay) to push
the menu down to its original position again so that Thunderbird
behaves more in line with all my other XP applications? This would
be an interesting question...<br>
<br>
Ideally I would like to come up with an additional extension that
could<br>
<ul>
<li>hide the minimize / maximize / close widgets for Firefox /
Thunderbird, so the user can choose to keep the ones painted
by the OS / skinning engine</li>
<li>either - move down the menu so it is in its original
position<br>
or - force the menu items "into the foreground" (which is
probably the more difficult solution as some of the Z-Order
from skinning engines might be out of our control)<br>
</li>
</ul>
One thing I would like the Thunderbird crew to think about is
that "painting into the titlebar" is not necessarily something we
should take for granted, at least in the standard paradigm, any
painting should be done in the client area. So IMHO skinning the
whole application should ideally be configurable / optional from
within the xul applications, ideally with a global <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="about:config">about:config</a> switch.<br>
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thanks<br>
Axel<br>
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Axel wrote:<br>
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<div> HI Alfred, </div>
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for the quick reviews!<br>
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Could you send me a screenshot of the problem?<br>
I am not able to reproduce it in Windows 7 using the
Windows Classic theme (which should have the same effect).<br>
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