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<blockquote type="cite">Axel / Alfred,
<br>
<br>
Hey - I just wanted to know if you've tried toggling the
"<font color="#cc0000"><tt>mail.tabs.drawInTitlebar</tt></font>"
pref.
<br>
<br>
This is a preference we put in that overrides the
drawing-in-titlebar
behaviour.
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Hi Mike / Alfred / Richard<br>
<br>
I just tested it, and the result is as always "almost" perfect:<br>
<br>
Using the Windowblinds theme "Ares" with Alfred Kayser's
"nautipolis" theme:<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part1.08030001.00010708@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
<br>
As you can see, the windows caption bar is back to its former (XP
engine styled) glory. it is interesting to note that Windows XP was
originally planned to support more styles and that the DLL that
provides Luna was "hacked" by Stardock to re-enable capabilities
that were already inherent theming features.<br>
<br>
IN the screenshot above, the (now superfluous) min / restore /
maximize / close widgets are painted over the tab managements ones.
It is an interesting edge case, is there another hidden setting that
hides them?<br>
<br>
It looks to me like this might make a nice "disable title bar
skinning" checkbox somewhere in advanced options. But putting the
toggle for this into a extension would be a perfectly valid solution
as well.<br>
<br>
Some more examples - please also note that the Thunderbird Icon in
the title bar is back (for a windows XP user, this represents the
system menu) which is <i>a good thing</i> :<br>
<br>
Windowblinds skin "ares" and Tb default skin:<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part2.07040305.03090208@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
<br>
Windowblinds skin "gaiety" + Tb default theme<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part3.00060503.01050701@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
<br>
Windowblinds skin "Noire" + default theme<br>
<img src="cid:part4.01040808.03000004@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
<br>
WB skin "Rogue Proton"<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part5.08070208.01000102@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
<br>
this last screenshots hopefully demonstrates that it is not always
easy and safe to bank on certain system colors or dimensions, by
simply assuming they are correct for the current operating system.
:-)<br>
<br>
regards & thanks<br>
Axel<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_5064771E_3010606_gmail_com"
cite="mid:5064771E.3010606@gmail.com" type="cite">Indeed, that
solves the problem of the menubar in the titlebar for
windows themes like Window Blinds...
<br>
<br>
Mike Conley wrote:
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_0" type="cite">Axel / Alfred,
<br>
<br>
Hey - I just wanted to know if you've tried toggling the
"mail.tabs.drawInTitlebar" pref.
<br>
<br>
This is a preference we put in that overrides the
drawing-in-titlebar
behaviour.
<br>
<br>
Does this help your situation?
<br>
<br>
-Mike
<br>
<br>
On 26/09/2012 12:56 PM, Axel wrote:
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_1" type="cite">
<br>
Hi Alfred,
<br>
<br>
if it is okay with you _/I am cc-ing the Thunderbird planning
list/_, as
<br>
this is an interesting edge case in innovation, which might
give me some
<br>
idea on how to get THunderbird (and Firefox) to behave more in
line with
<br>
other applications in Windows XP. As you know I am normally
not using
<br>
the Luna style of Windows XP but instead I am using Stardock's
<br>
Windowblinds engine, which paints over all widgets and title
bars /
<br>
window frames, to add such niceties as
<br>
<br>
* complete user defined styles (Mac OS under windows or
linux styles
<br>
are no problem)
<br>
* per pixel coloring
<br>
* transparency
<br>
* shadows
<br>
* the largest collection of user style for any operating
system
<br>
<br>
What I would like to point out to the tb-planning list is that
the
<br>
latest changes in Thunderbird 17 (and the following versions)
which are
<br>
also in line with the changes around Australis for Firefox
(moving up
<br>
the menu to overlap into the caption bar) present some
problems for
<br>
Software that takes over skinning the windows (especially the
title
bar).
<br>
<br>
Your solution of underpinning the menu with a bright area
works lovely
<br>
for all stock color flavors of XP Luna (blue, silver and
olive) so you
<br>
have solved that one problem, with your latest update of :
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_2" type="cite">Could you
try if this works?
<br>
If it works ok, I can then also update the Little/MicroBird
themes in
<br>
the same way.
<br>
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Yes, this is perfect on Windows XP (TB17):
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
It also still looks /spiffing gorgeous /on my Windowblinds
with
<br>
Thunderbird /*16 */(remember that Windowblinds painst over the
title-bar):
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Of course, with */Thunderbird 17/*, I will eventually have the
following
<br>
problem on my production windows system:
<br>
<br>
Stock theme:
<br>
<br>
<br>
Nautipolis 2.0.8:
<br>
<br>
Here, with Menu bar visible, the menu is completely obscured
by the
<br>
title bar ( I know this can be viewed as a bug by
Windowblinds, but on
<br>
the other hand it makes my Windows experience so much more
cohesive)
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Interestingly, when I task switch away and then back to
THunderbird I am
<br>
getting this effect (which is quite a good compromise as it
leaves the
<br>
skinning of the caption bar background intact, but replaces
the windows
<br>
max / minimize / restore widgets):
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
... which is probably closer to the effect that you would have
on
<br>
Windows XP with Luna (Vanilla). The bige question is, is there
anything
<br>
that we can do (maybe with a CSS rule?) to "force the caption
bar
<br>
widgets into the foreground"? Or failing this, is there
something I can
<br>
do (maybe by adding a box overlay) to push the menu down to
its
<br>
original position again so that Thunderbird behaves more in
line with
<br>
all my other XP applications? This would be an interesting
question...
<br>
<br>
Ideally I would like to come up with an additional extension
that could
<br>
<br>
* hide the minimize / maximize / close widgets for Firefox /
<br>
Thunderbird, so the user can choose to keep the ones
painted by the
<br>
OS / skinning engine
<br>
* either - move down the menu so it is in its original
position
<br>
or - force the menu items "into the foreground" (which is
probably
<br>
the more difficult solution as some of the Z-Order from
skinning
<br>
engines might be out of our control)
<br>
<br>
One thing I would like the Thunderbird crew to think about is
that
<br>
"painting into the titlebar" is not necessarily something we
should take
<br>
for granted, at least in the standard paradigm, any painting
should be
<br>
done in the client area. So IMHO skinning the whole
application should
<br>
ideally be configurable / optional from within the xul
applications,
<br>
ideally with a global <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="about:config">about:config</a> switch.
<br>
<br>
thanks
<br>
Axel
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_3" type="cite">
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Axel wrote:
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_4" type="cite">HI Alfred,
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_5" type="cite">Thanks
for the quick reviews!
<br>
<br>
Could you send me a screenshot of the problem?
<br>
I am not able to reproduce it in Windows 7 using the
Windows Classic
<br>
theme (which should have the same effect).
<br>
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