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Hi Alfred,<br>
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if it is okay with you <font color="#663366"><u><i>I am cc-ing the
Thunderbird planning list</i></u></font>, as this is an
interesting edge case in innovation, which might give me some idea
on how to get THunderbird (and Firefox) to behave more in line with
other applications in Windows XP. As you know I am normally not
using the Luna style of Windows XP but instead I am using Stardock's
Windowblinds engine, which paints over all widgets and title bars /
window frames, to add such niceties as <br>
<ul>
<li>complete user defined styles (Mac OS under windows or linux
styles are no problem)</li>
<li>per pixel coloring</li>
<li>transparency</li>
<li>shadows</li>
<li>the largest collection of user style for any operating system</li>
</ul>
<p>What I would like to point out to the tb-planning list is that
the latest changes in Thunderbird 17 (and the following versions)
which are also in line with the changes around Australis for
Firefox (moving up the menu to overlap into the caption bar)
present some problems for Software that takes over skinning the
windows (especially the title bar).<br>
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<p>Your solution of underpinning the menu with a bright area works
lovely for all stock color flavors of XP Luna (blue, silver and
olive) so you have solved that one problem, with your latest
update of :<br>
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<div>Could you try if this works?<br>
If it works ok, I can then also update the Little/MicroBird
themes
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Yes, this is perfect on Windows XP (TB17):<br>
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<img src="cid:part1.04050105.09020604@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
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It also still looks <font color="#663366"><i>spiffing gorgeous </i></font>on
my Windowblinds with Thunderbird <i><b>16 </b></i>(remember that
Windowblinds painst over the title-bar):<br>
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<img src="cid:part2.05070709.03020304@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
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Of course, with <b><font color="#663366"><i>Thunderbird 17</i></font></b>,
I will eventually have the following problem on my production
windows system:<br>
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Stock theme:<br>
<img src="cid:part3.02070005.04010505@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
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Nautipolis 2.0.8:<br>
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Here, with Menu bar visible, the menu is completely obscured by the
title bar ( I know this can be viewed as a bug by Windowblinds, but
on the other hand it makes my Windows experience so much more
cohesive)<br>
<br>
<img src="cid:part4.09010407.01080608@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
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Interestingly, when I task switch away and then back to THunderbird
I am getting this effect (which is quite a good compromise as it
leaves the skinning of the caption bar background intact, but
replaces the windows max / minimize / restore widgets):<br>
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<img src="cid:part5.06050503.09020805@googlemail.com" alt=""><br>
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... which is probably closer to the effect that you would have on
Windows XP with Luna (Vanilla). The bige question is, is there
anything that we can do (maybe with a CSS rule?) to "force the
caption bar widgets into the foreground"? Or failing this, is there
something I can do (maybe by adding a box overlay) to push the menu
down to its original position again so that Thunderbird behaves more
in line with all my other XP applications? This would be an
interesting question...<br>
<br>
Ideally I would like to come up with an additional extension that
could<br>
<ul>
<li>hide the minimize / maximize / close widgets for Firefox /
Thunderbird, so the user can choose to keep the ones painted by
the OS / skinning engine</li>
<li>either - move down the menu so it is in its original position<br>
or - force the menu items "into the foreground" (which is
probably the more difficult solution as some of the Z-Order from
skinning engines might be out of our control)<br>
</li>
</ul>
One thing I would like the Thunderbird crew to think about is that
"painting into the titlebar" is not necessarily something we should
take for granted, at least in the standard paradigm, any painting
should be done in the client area. So IMHO skinning the whole
application should ideally be configurable / optional from within
the xul applications, ideally with a global <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="about:config">about:config</a> switch.<br>
<br>
thanks<br>
Axel<br>
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Axel wrote:<br>
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<div> HI Alfred, </div>
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Thanks for the quick reviews!<br>
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Could you send me a screenshot of the problem?<br>
I am not able to reproduce it in Windows 7 using the Windows
Classic theme (which should have the same effect).<br>
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