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    <div id="smartTemplate4-template">Hello Joshua,<br>
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      thanks for the input!  I have revised the list on the Etherpad,
      narrowing it down to 11 items:<br>
      <br>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid773">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Contacts {google
              contact, morefunction for address book, funambol}</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid527">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Message & News
              Reading {Conversations, Image Zoom, LookOut, Foxy Proxy,
              Compact Header, DispMUA)</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid938">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Folders &
              Filters {QuickFolders, FiltaQuilla, Quick Folder Move,
              Quick Filer, Folder Flags, Copy Sent to Current, Mail
              Summaries} <font color="#999999">[As regards Filters vs.
                Search, Filters are actually actions mainly designed to
                modify messages or their locations]</font><br>
            </span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid950">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">Message </span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">C</span><span class="">omposi</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">tion {highlight text,
              signature-switch, shrunked image resizer, Stationery,
              smartTemplate4}</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid1015">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">Calendaring & Time</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp"> {Lightning, FoxClocks,
              Sun Cult, Google calendar provider, ThunderBirthDay} <font
                color="#999999">[I think this <i>should </i>include
                anything that involves displaying time / calendar
                related stuff like timers / alarm clocks / moon phases
                etc.]</font><br>
            </span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid970">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">Dictionaries & Language support</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp"> { Quick Translator,
              Quick Locale Switcher, Zombie Keys, Dictionary Switcher }</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid802">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">Backup & Archiving</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp"> { ... are there a few
              examples for this?? }<br>
            </span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid813">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Import / Export
              {Password Exporter, Message Filter Import/Export, 
              accountex, ImportExportTools}</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid848">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">P</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">rivacy </span><span
              class="">& Security</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp"> {Password Exporter,
              EnigMail, Master Password+,..}</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid212">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="">Appearance</span><span
              class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp"> & Customization <font
                color="#999999">[could include addons that configure
                themes]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid160">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Miscellaneus</span></li>
        </ul>
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      And here are the ones that are probably not going to make it (I
      personally would like to keep the first 2):<br>
      <br>
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        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Tags {TaQuilla,
              Tag Toolbar, Tb Conversations, Tags Toolbar }<font
                color="#999999"> [I meant mail tags / labels. Again,
                there are very few extensions,so this might not be
                important as a category]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
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        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Chat & IM<font
                color="#999999"> [this is going to be more important in
                the future, but  there are not many extensions right
                now]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid302">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Signatures &
              Headers<font color="#999999"> [dropped => Composition
                and Reading]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <div class="ace-line" id="magicdomid584">
        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Browsing<font
                color="#999999"> [(Web browsing) IMO this is unimportant
                from the mail users view?]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
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        <ul class="list-bullet1">
          <li><span class="author-g-bp45rxxysccqnvhp">Search Tools<font
                color="#999999">  [there are not all that many addons
                dealing with this in tb, and a lot is built in]</font></span></li>
        </ul>
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      cite="mid:502A7255.7020800@gmail.com" type="cite">
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/14/2012 8:33 AM, Axel Grude
        wrote:<br>
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        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <h2>Proposed new List</h2>
          <ul>
            <li><font color="#3333ff">Contacts</font></li>
            <li><span class=""><span class="">Folders </span>Management<br>
              </span></li>
          </ul>
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      </blockquote>
      For clarity: are you talking about managing 10k messages in a
      folder here, or managing 10k folders?<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Message composing</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Message Composition is probably a better name.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class=""><font color="#3333ff">Message Reading</font></span></li>
            <li><span class=""><font color="#3333ff">News Reading<br>
                </font></span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      I would combine these two for sure. The distinction isn't that
      great (I believe the original intent was to separate NNTP-centric
      addons from mail-centric, but particularly the fact that RSS was
      at one point exposed in the UI as "News and Feeds" means that
      "News" is a very poor name for classification).<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Calendar & Date / Time related
                add-ons</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Very wordy title. "Calendar" or "Calendaring" is probably better,
      since I don't think there's a lot of value in pulling some pure
      date/time-related addons into the same category of what is
      effectively addons to Lightning.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Signatures & Headers</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      This strikes me as two very different things smashed into one
      category, and I don't think it's entirely clear from a user
      perspective what would go in here. "Signature" is overloaded to
      mean both S/MIME-esque signatures as well as that little thing at
      the bottom of every email, while I don't know how prevalent
      "headers" is in use in the sense that it exists for email. If you
      look at things from a workflow perspective, very likely everything
      here would go into message composing or message reading anyways,
      so having a specific section for them isn't very useful.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Filters</span></li>
            <li><span class="">Search Tools</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Filtering and search go hand-in-hand; I don't think there's a lot
      of reason to separate the two out<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><font color="#cc0000"><span class="">Tags</span></font></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Which kind of tags? Tags in the calendar? address book? folder
      tags? tags as folders? tags on messages? Too much ambiguity here,
      and I don't think it usefully breaks up any components.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Chat & IM</span></li>
            <li><font color="#3333ff"><span class="">Dictionaries &
                  Language support</span></font></li>
            <li><span class="">Backup & Archiving</span></li>
            <li><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/extensions/privacy-and-security/">Privacy


                and Security</a></li>
            <li><span class="">Toolbars</span></li>
            <li><span class="">Appearance</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Appearance is a vague term, but I'm not quickly finding anything
      better. I'm not certain there's any gain from splitting out
      Toolbars from appearance, especially if we can come up for a name
      for Appearance that would capture its intent better (AIUI, any UI
      feature that's not directly controlled by or controlling anything
      explicitly called out here).<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Developer Tools</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      I'm divided here. There is/will be definitely a sizeable set of
      tools to include in here if we port a lot of the current devtools
      work to Thunderbird. On the other hand, I am not sure making this
      an explicit category is any more beneficial than publishing an
      add-on collection (or set of collections) for things like "this is
      useful for debugging Thunderbird!"<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Folder pane customisation</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Customizing the folder pane is nothing more than another way to
      manage a lot of folders/accounts.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class="">Browsing</span></li>
          </ul>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      Browsing what? Considering that web browsing is not a core feature
      of Thunderbird, I'm not sure there's value from separating from
      miscellaneous.<br>
      <blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_502A457D_9000308_gmail_com"
        cite="mid:502A457D.9000308@gmail.com" type="cite">
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          <ul>
            <li><span class=""><font color="#3333ff">Miscellaneus</font><br>
              </span></li>
          </ul>
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      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Keep in mind that we do have search functionality for addons, and
      we can build collections where it makes sense. With that in mind,
      it is probably better to have very broad categories instead of
      narrow definitions.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Joshua Cranmer
News submodule owner
DXR coauthor</pre>
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