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<div id="newHeader"> <b>From: </b>"Patrick
Cloke"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:clokep@gmail.com"><clokep@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>CC: </b>"tb-planning, Tanstaafl" <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tb-planning@mozilla.org">tb-planning@mozilla.org</a>,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tanstaafl@libertytrek.org">tanstaafl@libertytrek.org</a> <br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, 20/07/12 18:04:26 18:04 GMT +0100 [Week
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<b>Subject:</b>Re: TB End Users survey - do not distribute</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Axel <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:axel.grude@googlemail.com" target="_blank">axel.grude@googlemail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_10" type="cite"> Also,
if the numbers in that PDF are to be believed...Skype is
the most popular and they're not much fun to integrate
with. :)<br>
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But probably also most rewarding as they support voice as
their main medium; I think this would be a good project for
an Add-on, not for core. Why not ask the Skype developers to
write one?</div>
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<div>I doubt Skype (aka Microsoft) would have much interest in
integrating. </div>
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Didn't know Skype was owned by them. gosh. :S<br>
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<div>But they do have an API actually (DBUS on Linux and via
window messages or something on Windows). It would be
possible to use that to integrate with a running Skype
instance. <br>
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We need some pots for the various possible projects - this one I
would put into the Add-Ons pot; definitely not core.<br>
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<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_12" type="cite">About IM
in email clients in general...I agree with Vincent that I
find it extremely beneficial for work. It's less
intrusive than calling, but more immediate than email.
Having the presence information is nice if you want to
walk down to someone's office, although opening up the
actual contact list shows that as well. </blockquote>
Contact list of <i><b>what</b></i>? Is Thunderbird
supporting presence already? Or are you talking about the
other IM clients?</div>
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<div>Thunderbird 15 will include chat. Presence will be shown
in email headers (I think, it's Thunderbird 16 + approval for
aurora <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763522">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=763522</a>).
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Coool! (when it works)<br>
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<div>I was actually referring to using Outlook + Lync here
though, but really my point was just that it's useful when you
receive an email to know what that person is currently doing
(can you call, IM, stop by or email them back).<br>
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Yesss! Thunderbird gets at least 50% more useful with that - well in
a group <i>working </i>environment, that is. Thing is, I don't
make a habit of firing up my chat client on my private machine
(partly because I am spoiled for choice - YM? MSN? Skype?), but if
it was just a switch in Tb, I would very likely have it running all
day.<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">And you could
potentially later on <i>"bolt on"</i> screen sharing, which
is a hugely expanding market. Has anybody of you guys tried
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx"
target="_blank">teamViewer</a>? It's the fastest that I
have tried so far...<span class="HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">This is kind of off topic
I guess, but Lync includes support for screen sharing now. It
seems to work OK. </div>
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Except (to my big chagrin) it doesn't when you are on RDC. I am
RDC-ing into my company laptop (because I am allergic to docking
stations?) so I can't share my screen via Office Communicator :(
using join.me sometimes but it's really not very fast.<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">There are many features
that can be supported via IM though (potentially voice, video,
white boarding, screen sharing...just to name a few). Luckily
both the IRC and XMPP implementations in
Instantbird/Thunderbird are fairly extensible.</div>
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double cool. Is there a plan to integrate a thin client IRC out of
the box (rather than having to bolt on chatZilla)? That would be the
most useful for me personally. At the moment I am using chatZilla
via SM to keep my Thunderbird profile "cleanish".<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> And we'll definitely
encourage that for any other protocols added to chat/ (anyone
want to make a SIP/SIMPLE implementation?) :)<span
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there might be some scope in papercuts here? Don't know how much
work is involved. We need some interns for this kind of work!! ;)<br>
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Axel<br>
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