<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div id="IDstID"><br>
</div>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_4FFAC286_2050504_beonex_com"
cite="mid:4FFAC286.2050504@beonex.com" type="cite">On 09.07.2012
12:57, Axel wrote:
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_10" type="cite">*Privacy: *the
argument is tricky as email is necessarily server based
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
The transfer, yes. Storage, no. For a data thief (whoever it may
be, big or small), it makes a huge difference whether he can
access only current mail or all mail from the last 5 years. All
the hacked MSN accounts from friends that are spamming me are just
the most visible proof of that.
<br>
</blockquote>
but if you are using IMAP, one of the advantages of that is the
server storage. right?<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_4FFAC286_2050504_beonex_com"
cite="mid:4FFAC286.2050504@beonex.com" type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_11" type="cite">But generally
webmail does not allow backing up to local storage (and cleaning
up on the server without loosing data) so IMO that is the
biggest drawback.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
That's what I meant with integrity and verification, yes.
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_12" type="cite">
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_13" type="cite">If everybody
has webmail, there's not even a reason for the ISP to offer
IMAP or POP3.
<br>
</blockquote>
there is a trend with ISPs not to offer SMTP servers anymore
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Oh? I don't know about that, we have SMTP servers for all the big
ISPs in the world in our ISP database. Which ISPs are you thinking
of?
<br>
</blockquote>
my latest mobile broadband supplier (meteor.ie a daughter of eircom)
has discontinued and in fact shut down any and all mail servers
(they do not supply mail addresses anymore) - I believe they reckon
mail is dead, <b>"if you want email you can get that from google."</b>
I remember a few discussions with their (absymally bad) support
team, some of them didn't even know what a mail server is, let alone
smtp.<br>
<br>
So I had to switch to google for smtp relaying, which was messing
with my "from" headers for a while.<br>
<br>
It might be an exception but as it is a real cost saver for ISPs in
terms of support I am afraid they are setting the trend here. (In
case you are wondering why I use mobile broadband, our land lines
are simply not good enough for DSL on the Irish countryside)<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_4FFAC286_2050504_beonex_com"
cite="mid:4FFAC286.2050504@beonex.com" type="cite">
<br>
I'm just surprised that this is already starting, but this is
fairly sure to happen once desktop email clients are going down in
popularity. Once this happens, we're in big trouble. To access
mail from my mobile, I'll have to install the app from the
provider (while currently I can use the email application), and
Facebook is showing right now what the results of that will be:
Self-service for data shopping, outrageous privacy violations, and
people can only watch and complain, but not do anything.
<br>
</blockquote>
Yep - I think the only safe way forward might be commercial email: a
paid service, guaranteed to be private and advertisement free.<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_4FFAC286_2050504_beonex_com"
cite="mid:4FFAC286.2050504@beonex.com" type="cite">
<br>
(FWIW, Microsoft is pushing their own cloud services, too, so we
can't depend on Outlook.)
<br>
</blockquote>
Well with outlook for the corporate sector it is slightly different
as there are privately owned Exchange Servers. <br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="mid_4FFAC286_2050504_beonex_com"
cite="mid:4FFAC286.2050504@beonex.com" type="cite">
<br>
<blockquote class=" cite" id="Cite_14" type="cite">For an average
user it is actually hard to find free SMTP alternatives.
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
If it's free and open to everybody, spammers will jump at it.
<br>
</blockquote>
that's why I am so pissed off with meteor and their decision to
drop support for that altogether.<br>
<br>
<br>
</body>
</html>