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On 7/15/10 11:23 AM, neandr wrote:
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[15.07.2010 00:42] »Dan Mosedale« wrote:
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From a strategic point of view, the biggest conflict is in
values alignment: <br>
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"Individuals must have the ability to shape their own
experiences on the Internet."<br>
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Enterprise deployers generally value minimizing support burden
significantly more highly than (for example) allowing users to
customize their installation. Additionally, enterprises value
many features in ways (eg calendaring) that are fundamentally
very different than the ways that end users tend to value them.<br>
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More operationally, a big motivation behind this statement is
simply an intent to focus. Mozilla as an organization doesn't
have significant experience in working with the Enterprise
sector, and Thunderbird as a project has far too few active
developers to do a good job with both individual and enterprise
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With all respect for the people working at Mozilla/Thunderbird and
fully understand the limitation they are faced with, I would like
to see a more detailed mission statement for the products (TB/LG)
and the future of it. Only expressing TB is for individual users,
SOHO and not for the Enterprise is a very vague statement. </blockquote>
This is, indeed, a first step. As mentioned in the intro paragraph
of that page, we're still evolving a stronger vision, and that's not
likely to make it into a draft of this document just yet.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4C3F520E.7080704@gmx.de" type="cite">Are there
definitions for those use cases?</blockquote>
No. This is unlikely to happen before the stronger vision is
further along.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4C3F520E.7080704@gmx.de" type="cite"> If they
exists follows Mozilla/TB/LG them? <br>
Beside a mission statement how about a road map? Also the projects
are very much living on engagement of contributors and their very
personnel requirements, likings etc such a plan/road map/(what
ever you name it) would make clearer where TB/LG stands and the
force go into -- or should go into.<br>
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A todo on my list (as listed on
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dmose/Arch_of_Participation_todos"><https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Dmose/Arch_of_Participation_todos></a>)
is to put together a product priorities page which ties some of
these things together. I suspect this will help address the
concerns you mention.<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:4C3F520E.7080704@gmx.de" type="cite"> With
David coming on board we have seen some plans, very enthusiastic
eg. about the integration of LG with TB. <br>
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Did I missed the updates to all of that?<br>
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Yes, see <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://ascher.ca/blog/2009/02/18/lightning_update/"><http://ascher.ca/blog/2009/02/18/lightning_update/></a>
for the details. That page specifically talks about Thunderbird 3,
but the keep-it-as-an-addon plan is still current. Note that as
part of Thunderbird 3.1, the start page advertises Lightning to
end-users.<br>
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Dan<br>
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