Re: Thunderbird’s future: a modern addressbook

neandr neandr at
Fri Mar 16 23:25:42 UTC 2018

Hi Eyal,

seems there are some misunderstanding of what I posted, I would like to 
ask you to read my post again.

First I never frowned or blamed CardBook as a possible solution. As with 
every other contribution it has to be allowed to discuss controversial. 
And Philippe himself gave some critical notes about his solution. 
Personally I think it's a good addon.

It's my understanding the project for a new TB/AB was in the discussion 
like this ...

> It's intended to serve as a technical experiment for a rewrite using 
> web technologies
I hope the new Council will widen it's view with that project. It should 
use web technologies to replace legacy technologies (XUL etc) where ever 
possible. The recent mail "[Maildev] The XUL tree widget - where is the 
replacement work?" shows there is much movement required!
My point was not to point to technologies only, but to how the world 
changed for UI and UX. A development for a new TB/AB has to look also 
for approaches coming from other than desktop implementations to build a 
modern new TB/AB.


On 15.03.18 01:49, Eyal Rozenberg wrote:
> A couple of comments:
> On 3/15/18 12:04 AM, neandr wrote:
>>  3. A modern addressbook (using web technologies) should overcome legacy
>>     layout ideas. Clearly our legacy TB/AB UI is bound to a desktop
>>     implementation. 
> This again? Haven't we straightened this out yet? The address book, 
> just like Thunderbird itself, has, is, and will be a desktop 
> application. That's not a legacy to be overcome.
> If I caught the drift of the discussion on this point a few weeks ago:
> * There has been no decision mandating Thunderbird to become/include a 
> client for mobile phones
> * There isn't a majority of people who think this is necessary
> * There's a large minority, if not a majority, of people who think 
> it's a bad idea
> >>     It's intended to serve as a technical experiment for a rewrite
> >>     using web technologies
> >     Clearly Cardbook doesn't fulfill this point.
> >
> >     ...
> >
>>     If a new-TB/AB project is meant  "to serve as a
>>     technical experiment" we should experiment also with alternative
>>     layouts and handling, not only bound to mouse and menu and pulldown
>>     and such. Do will need a full list/table to show the contacts?
>>     Categories instead or additionally to Contact Lists (see also next
>>     point).
> For this reason I don't think CardBook should be frowned upon in any 
> way as a potential piece of functionality to be integrated into 
> Thunderbird _with_its_current_architecture_. That would be a 
> functionality win with relatively limited effort, that would help 
> create the breathing space to pursue a full-rewrite endeavor. IMHO.
> Eyal

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