THANK YOU! -- re: The Thunderbird Project is hiring ... and you are the first to know ;-)

Mike Ramey miker206wa at
Sat Jan 20 02:26:09 UTC 2018

Jörg Knobloch et al --


This is the first evidence I have seen in a looong time that Thunderbird 
has a future.  I have been mentally composing a message to you asking: 
"Kent -- Has the TB Council discussed what desktop email client they 
will recommend to TB users when TB becomes un-maintainable?"  Really!  
That question has tormented me for a couple months now, and caused me 
anticipatory grief (I am _not_ joking here!) for the day when I must 
either (a) fall back on the Gmail web UI, or switch to and learn another 
desktop email client.  It reminded me of the sadness and anger I felt 
when I lost UW-pine on *nix at Speakeasy via telnet.  No joke!  I still 
miss a couple of features from UW-Pine.

Why am I telling you this?

Because I have sent you money (tho' not much), and I haven't heard _a 
damn thing_ about what you've done with that money, and what you're 
doing to keep TB alive into the future. So, it seems to me that one of 
the duties of the proposed *_Thunderbird Software Engineer_* (or 
someone!?) _must be_ to:

  * *Not less often than quarterly (every three months) you will inform
    all TB users of progress and plans (including successes and
    problems) for maintaining and extending TB (as a viable
    multi-platform communication tool) into the long-range future.*

Why?  Because TB will _not survive_ without the long-term commitment and 
support (with money, and otherwise) of its users at both the enterprise 
and individual level.  If you want support, you've got to earn it.  It's 
not sufficient to 'do good work[s]' -- you must _be seen_ as 'doing good 
work[s]' !!!  If you don't document it, it doesn't exist.

--Mike Ramey

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	The Thunderbird Project is hiring ... and you are the first to 
know ;-)
Date: 	Wed, 17 Jan 2018 23:12:30 +0100
From: 	Jörg Knobloch <jorgk at>
Reply-To: 	Thunderbird planning (moderated) <tb-planning at>
To: 	tb-planning at <tb-planning at>

Hi tb-planning subscribers,

the Thunderbird Project is hiring, below you'll see the official text of
the job description. So if you're interested and you feel you qualify,
please send us your application. If you have friends, family or
acquaintances who you think qualify, let them know.

We'll also send this to the other Thunderbird mailing lists, add-on
developers and place it on various job sites.

So here goes:

_Thunderbird Software Engineer_

_About Thunderbird_
Thunderbird is a email client depended on daily by 25 million people on
three platforms: Windows, Mac and Linux (and other *nix). It was
developed under the Mozilla Corporation until 2014 when development was
handed over to the community. The Mozilla Foundation is now the fiscal
home of Thunderbird. The Thunderbird Council, who lead the community
effort, has begun hiring contractors through Mozilla in support of this
venture and to guarantee that all vital services are provided in a
reliable fashion.

You will join the team that is leading Thunderbird into a bright future.
As a software engineer you will be maintaining and improving the
existing Gecko-based Thunderbird but also pave the way for its
transition to being based on web technologies.

The Thunderbird team works openly using public bug trackers and
repositories, providing you with a premier chance to show your work to
the world.

_About the Contract_
The Thunderbird project is looking to hire software engineers to help
maintain Thunderbird. You'll be expected to work with community
volunteers, the Thunderbird Council, and other employees to maintain and
improve the Thunderbird product.

This is a remote, hourly 6-month contract. Hours will be up to 40 a
week. You will be expected to have excellent written communication
skills and coordinate your work over email, IRC, and Bugzilla.

_As a software engineer for Thunderbird you will_ ...
* Fix bugs and regressions and address technical debt.
* In collaboration with Thunderbird's Engineering Steering Committee,
replace/rewrite modules to prepare Thunderbird for the transition to a
new platform.
* Maintain and improve Thunderbird to ensure that both nightly builds
and releases are always possible.
* Follow improvements made by Mozilla engineers for the Firefox platform
process and implement those for Thunderbird.
* Be a self-starter. In a large code-base it's inevitable that you
conduct your own research, investigation and debugging, although others
in the project will of course share their knowledge.
* Work with both volunteers and employees across the world to fix issues.
* Collaborate with QA, Security, Localization, and Release Engineering
for coordinated code releases.

_Your Previous Experience_
Since we are looking to fill one or more positions, we are interested to
hear from junior and senior candidates who can offer the following:
* Solid knowledge and experience developing a large software system (7+
million lines of code).
* Solid knowledge of C++ as well as JavaScript, HTML and CSS.
* Ideally exposure to the Mozilla platform as a voluntary contributor or
add-on author with knowledge of XPCOM, XUL, etc.
* Some experience using distributed version control systems (preferably
Mercurial, Git would be acceptable).
* Some prior exposure to Python and build systems (preferably make)
would be beneficial.
* Experience developing software cross-platform applications is a plus.
* B.S. in Computer Science would be lovely, but real-world experience is

_Next Steps_
If this position sounds like a good fit for you, please send us your
resume with a cover letter toapply at

A cover letter is essential to your application, as it shows us how you
envision Thunderbird's technical future. Tell us about why you're
passionate about Thunderbird and this position. Also include samples of
your work as a programmer, either directly or a link. If you contribute
to any open source software, or maintain a blog we'd love to hear about it.

Please note that while the Thunderbird project is a group of individuals
separate from the Mozilla Foundation that works to further the
Thunderbird email client, the Mozilla Foundation is the Project's fiscal
home. The Thunderbird Council, separate from Mozilla, manages the
Project and will direct the software engineer's work.

The successful applicant will be hired as freelancer (independent
contractor) through the Mozilla Foundation's third-party service Upwork
( By applying to this job, you are agreeing to have your
applications reviewed by Thunderbird contractors and volunteers who are
a part of the hiring committee as well as by staff members of the
Mozilla Foundation.

Mozilla values diversity. We do not discriminate on the basis of race,
religion, color, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, age,
marital status, veteran status, or disability status.

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